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Old Nov 27, 2006 | 04:22 PM
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Head gaskets...?

Hey fellas. I'm just inquiring about the '05 and '06 6.0 trucks blowing head gaskets. I know some do not do it, but I'm curious as to which trucks are more prone to it, whether they be stock or modified. I know the reason for some is due to the head bolts ('05?) being too short and stretching over time. So maybe you guys can tell me if all 05-06 trucks are destined to have it happen. One guy told me it happens at higher miles (70K-100K). I DO know that programmed trucks are more likely to have these problems, so I stay away from tuners. I may be looking into a used 6.0 truck within a year or so to replace my 7.3, so I'd like to rid myself of the worries that accompany most potential 6.0L buyers. If I get a 6.0L truck, it'll probably have 50K-60K already on it, provided I can find the right one. My options are auction and private sale. Dealerships are too expensive for me. Any precautions or advice you guys can give me would be appreciated!!
 
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Old Nov 27, 2006 | 06:43 PM
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You are right about avoiding trucks with tuners. If you didn't put it on then there is no way to tell how it was driven so it is best to steer clear of them. As for the head gaskets it seems most of the 05 and 06's have been fine. Not many of them have blown. I think you will be alright just when you find one that you like be sure to get an Oasis report. Any dealer can get it for you or if you can get the vin one of our resident techs may help you out. This will tell of all the service visits the truck as had at a FORD dealer.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2006 | 08:37 PM
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The more we find out about International Engine quality or lack of...it doesn't matter if you have a tuner or not. Pulling a heavy trailer or tuned, a warped or improperly torqued head straight from the factory will only be resolved by pulling the heads, correctly machine the surface and add head studs.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2006 | 09:27 PM
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I thought the heads were none serviceable heads. I thought you would have to get new ones if they were warped.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2006 | 09:33 PM
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I thought the heads were none serviceable heads. I thought you would have to get new ones if they were warped.
We have found that decking the heads (up to .010, anything over goes in the trash) is preferable to replacing them because a replaced head is just as susceptible to warping as any other. Once they have been warped and resurfaced, they will not warp again.

I am not sure why Ford says not to do it (valve clearance issues I would speculate, or maybe they just want to sell more parts) but we have ALWAYS done more sucessful work by decking and have never had any piston/valve clearance or raised compression issues.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2006 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DD1684
Hey fellas. I'm just inquiring about the '05 and '06 6.0 trucks blowing head gaskets. I know some do not do it, but I'm curious as to which trucks are more prone to it, whether they be stock or modified. I know the reason for some is due to the head bolts ('05?) being too short and stretching over time. So maybe you guys can tell me if all 05-06 trucks are destined to have it happen. One guy told me it happens at higher miles (70K-100K). I DO know that programmed trucks are more likely to have these problems, so I stay away from tuners. I may be looking into a used 6.0 truck within a year or so to replace my 7.3, so I'd like to rid myself of the worries that accompany most potential 6.0L buyers. If I get a 6.0L truck, it'll probably have 50K-60K already on it, provided I can find the right one. My options are auction and private sale. Dealerships are too expensive for me. Any precautions or advice you guys can give me would be appreciated!!
Most of the head gasket problems were from the 03 and early 04 trucks. The gasket problems on engines built after 09/03 had largely been cleared up. However there are some TSB's on the 6.0's that refer to aftermarket chipping violating warranty. I've got an 04 with the 6.0 and it's been good so far, but I'm staying away for tuning for that reason. As long as I keep the engine stock I shouldn't have any problems getting it fixed under warranty, if I do develope any head gasket problems.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2006 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PSD 60L Fx4
I am not sure why Ford says not to do it (valve clearance issues I would speculate, or maybe they just want to sell more parts) but we have ALWAYS done more sucessful work by decking and have never had any piston/valve clearance or raised compression issues.
ford states anymore that .003 inch warpage and the heads are trash.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2006 | 10:36 PM
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Problem is with the poor machine work done at International, even new heads are out of spec.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2006 | 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BowTieHatr
ford states anymore that .003 inch warpage and the heads are trash.
Right, but you are safe removing .009-.010 inches of material during the deck job. I resurface on ANY job I do, warped or not. Simply no good reason not to
 
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Old Nov 28, 2006 | 06:18 AM
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Don't you think that machining the heads will raise the compression too much?
 
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Old Nov 28, 2006 | 09:42 AM
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So how long do you guys think the original heads are good for if I do light/moderate towing with a truck that already has 50K or 60K on it?
 
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Old Nov 28, 2006 | 10:55 AM
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havent not the first 05 here as yet with headgasket issue
 
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Old Nov 28, 2006 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PSD 60L Fx4
We have found that decking the heads (up to .010, anything over goes in the trash) is preferable to replacing them because a replaced head is just as susceptible to warping as any other. Once they have been warped and resurfaced, they will not warp again.

I am not sure why Ford says not to do it (valve clearance issues I would speculate, or maybe they just want to sell more parts) but we have ALWAYS done more sucessful work by decking and have never had any piston/valve clearance or raised compression issues.
Same is true on a used piston, once through the heat cycle, breakin times on just the rings is minimal. I am guessing Ford is trying to re-coup money on warranty claims of the earlier trucks. Kinda like a secret corporate directive.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2006 | 05:35 PM
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Don't you think that machining the heads will raise the compression too much?
Depends on the repeatability of the gasket crush. If the gasket crush is as wild as .004-.008 differential (motor to motor) then I would feel very safe using Matts .010 guidline. (personally I would go as far as .015 if it were mine) You also have to take into consideration what the individual cylinder balance was/is on one of the "not properly torqued" heads. If I were to take a simple educated guess, I would say IH allows +,- .005 on the head thickness. I would not be too suprised to see different thickness head gaskets offered in the very near future if in fact all of the above mentioned heads are going into the trash.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2006 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PSD 60L Fx4
I am not sure why Ford says not to do it (valve clearance issues I would speculate, or maybe they just want to sell more parts) but we have ALWAYS done more sucessful work by decking and have never had any piston/valve clearance or raised compression issues.
Well, Matt you could always clay your piston to valve clearance, and figure out the static compression increase that .010" reduced swept volume creates, now that you need to put a crank in your motor.
 
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