Lift, no lift, big tires, stock tires...it's pure and simple BS. It's poor fricken quality control on Ford and it's vendors who supply the dam parts. There are just as many if not more stockers that have blown them as modified so let's despense with the bull shall we? Root of the problem is what is mentioned above and nothing more. Here's the question is FORD gonna put it's dam money where it's mouth is? Built Ford Tough....really? Show us....stop hiding, stand behind your product, and fix it. The 6.0 is just an example of not doing enough real world testing and holding International accountable... 6.4 probably won't be any better once they get done smogging the **** out of it.....o well smile....We can always go own a Nissan...:P

 

In case you havent noticed ford has put up. go own a nissan if you want because it will never out pull a super duty. what are you doin up here anyway. you dont even have a super duty.

 

I think the general consensus here would be that I am one of the mod-friendly members of the site here, but lets not get carried away. Blown/leaking heads are primarily a problem on modified trucks, whether admittedly or not.

 

Bowtie-

You have your opinion big guy I have mind. For the record I own an 06 F250 CC so don't insult me next time with assumptions that I don't. My comments weren't directed at you nor did I take a shot at you unless your name is FORD which it isn't. I have watched quality slip in the big three and we as the consumers have paid for it...in more then one way..If they have put their money where there mouth is why are we STILL dealing with head gasket problems. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out with the brain pool they have for engineers back there should it?

LOL Bow btw I still love ya buddy even though my first instinct was to wring your neck . I got a Budwieser if you want one . I know we can agree to that! lol

 

PSD-

Has there been a poll ever placed out here asking that question?

 

As far as I'm concerned those polls are carried out every day in numerous service departments I'm in contact with, several engineers at Ford and my own shop. Simple matter of fact is that for every 5 sets of blown heads, 4 of them have been running a tuner.

Thats not to say that all tuners cause blown head gaskets (most don't), and that all blown heads are caused by tuners- both would be falsely represented blanket statements; but common sense statistics show a definate correlation between the two.

The yield strength of the factory bolt is based upon the average cylinder pressure that is seen by a STOCK engine. Since that yield is marginal even for a stock motor, add more cylinder pressure to those engines that are on the higher end of the tolerance scale (both in cylinder head flatness and bolt strength) and you are going to get some gasket leakby at some point in time. You can't reasonably expect Navistar or Ford to design a product that will survive under stress they never intended nor inflicted upon the engine; as far as I'm concerned if you add cylinder pressure/engine stress via ANY means, it is now YOUR job to repair what fails and to prevent it from failing. The largest majority of aftermarket calibration hardware will cause no damage to a solid 6.0 engine, but it is not Ford's responsibility in the rare event that it does.

As a side note, the 6.4 WILL NOT have these issues. Mark my word and wait to see if they do.

 

Well you may want to update your profile, as it says you have an F150 not a SD.

It is also interesting to note that for a you spend almost half of your time (4 or your 9 posts) at FTE ranting and raving about how bad FMC and the American auto makers are. If you want to rant and rave about how bad everything is take it somewhere else. The members here are Ford Truck Enthusiasts. We like to gather and talk about our trucks and help each other solve any mechanical problems that come along. If you want to rant and rave about the American Auto makers then go on Dr. Phil. Also if you don't like your Ford truck then sell it and get a "Douchemax" or a "Cumapart".

 

Yes, yes, and yes.

 

Psd is absolutely correct about overstressing these engines. Remember, the 6.0 was designed by International to be a medium duty truck engine putting out far less than the stock 6.0 PSD horsepower and torque. It's already "Tuned" when we buy one. Horsepower creates heat and pressure, and not in a linear progression. So it stands to reason that the more we trick the motor up, the more failures we are going to have. That being said, some of the guys I've been working with are telling me that one of the biggest problems they see causing head/head-gasket leakage is poor quality control and milling. Their THEORY is that the milling machines are moving too fast in the deak/head milling process and that is causing a poor product. I guess I'm just too old, but I would nevr have ever thought about trying to add 150 Hp to a 300 HP gas motor without having major machine work done on the block and heads (balanced, blueprinted, etc.) now we just plug in a tuner and expect the motor to take the stress. Not too reasonable, IMO. This shop is putting out some 6.0's that are making major HP, but they are doing the whole balancing/blueprinting/milling process first, and their customers are having good results. I drove one of their high HP trucks the other day, and I'm sure you could put my buddy's HEMI on a trailer and pull it down the road faster than that dodge can run. (he really hates it when the big black PSD runs off and leaves that HEMI).

 

just so you know i am ford. i have been a tech for 7 1/2 years. so yes you took a shot at me because i am a very easy tech when ever it comes to my job. last week i had a truck with low boost by like 4 pounds, and it did not have any power in 3rd gear. between me and hotline, they were fixing to send a feild rep out to look at the truck, but i knew if they would they would have looked at the k&n filter and wanted to void his warranty. so i went back to losing money to try and save this guys warranty. i wanted to put fuel filters in it but the owner said no, due to the fact that he just had replaced the filters so i was assuming he was telling the truth. come to find out after a turbo, fuel pump, and a intercooler that the issue was being caused by the filters that he said were ok and they were not even racor filters. we techs get abused all the time due to people like you who would rather complain because it makes you feel important and i am sure i speak for all of us when i say we we are better off without you. i do not have to be on this site helping anyone, but i do it because i like helping and basically i will be here untill FTE is over run with non apreciative users that use the term stealership all day long. now you can either leave or you can straighten up because i dont thin anyone is liking you right now because of your posts flaming everyone mainly ford.

by the way, put your bud back in the fridge, because quite honestly i will never sit down with people like you unless you will be civil. we all have our opinions and its a free country to say what you want to say. but it is also a free country to persecute who we want to whether we are right or wrong for doing it.

 

What is everyone using for head gaskets when you install studs? New style from Ford, hypermax???

 

ARP studs and the Hypermax gaskets is what most are using.

 

Welcome to FTE sacu

I used ARP studs and OEM multilayer gaskets. The type and style of gasket is applied to the amount of modifications you have planned. My truck uses custom tuning and I do not plan any additions except water injection.

 

From where I stand as a 19 year Ford diesel tech, Ford has been fixing everyone of these trucks, with the exception of a few heavily modded vehicles. I give Ford a lot of credit in this area.

 

Maxium,

Do you plan to run the water injection with the stock gaskets?