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Let me set this up first. Part of being a good tech in todays world, is not only repairing damaged or defective vehicles,but also finding out what caused the defect to begin with. Melted pistons, broken components, failed gaskets,etc. From the very start of the automotive repair business, this was a part of the repair process. Components fail for a reason, over-revving causes parts to fail in a specific manner, excessive heat, the same, overboosting,the same. When these signs are present, thats when you start looking.Overboosting,you check the vanes, check the vgt solenoid (yes, there are tests for this) and check the pcm and wires. Head gaskets,depending on the type of damage, where to start the search. Now, for those of you "Just remove the controller, they'll never know", here comes the funny-ironic part. You are always wanting to find the knowledgeable,experienced techs, but for that(removing the controller) to work, you have to find someone not smart enough to see whats happened, then trust him with major motor/trans work! I dont care who you are, thats funny!
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That there is an excellent post. I guess the question is, how good is your mechanic. Do you want the mechanic that can "figure it out" or one that can't.
I like your thinking and wish you were my mechanic.
I like your thinking and wish you were my mechanic.
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Good point Vince. I believe that a top-notch Technician is able to discern whether or not the tuner, or whatever aftermarket addition, caused the issue. If the Ford part failed, warranty it. If the aftermarket part(s) or the owners driving caused it, bill 'em for it.
Thoughtless use of the stupid pedal causes the most drivetrain damage.
Thoughtless use of the stupid pedal causes the most drivetrain damage.
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Let's not forget removing the tuner/box/whatever and then expecting the tech to find the problem... and when he can't (cause you pulled the tuner), whining that they couldn't replicate.
I just went through the head gasket/head/turbo experience. I can assure you, my truck was looked at by more than enough Ford people to void my warranty in a heartbeat if they detected tuner usage.
I just went through the head gasket/head/turbo experience. I can assure you, my truck was looked at by more than enough Ford people to void my warranty in a heartbeat if they detected tuner usage.
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It is ironic, and funny.
It is also ironic, and not funny, if your pickup was kept bone stock for just the purpose of a 100,000 mile warrenty and you can't find a tech worth two [Edited by kw5413]. The only response I get form them is "it must be your aftermarket parts." How the heck can my weatherguard toolbox (only aftermarket part) cause blue smoke, buckin, chugging, and low boost.
It is also ironic, and not funny, if your pickup was kept bone stock for just the purpose of a 100,000 mile warrenty and you can't find a tech worth two [Edited by kw5413]. The only response I get form them is "it must be your aftermarket parts." How the heck can my weatherguard toolbox (only aftermarket part) cause blue smoke, buckin, chugging, and low boost.
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Depends on how heavy your toolbox is...
We have some technicians that are not up to date, you need to avoid that dealer the next time you have a purchase in mind. The best deal is not the lowest price but how your treated after the sale.
If you suspect a tuner, you have to prove the theory. Some GM dealers will not even look at the truck if anything is changed....so Ford is not the only one.
We have some technicians that are not up to date, you need to avoid that dealer the next time you have a purchase in mind. The best deal is not the lowest price but how your treated after the sale.If you suspect a tuner, you have to prove the theory. Some GM dealers will not even look at the truck if anything is changed....so Ford is not the only one.
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i know from experience and from what i have seen and heard, it does not matter if the truck has a tuner or not. i will admit that more headgasket failure in my eyes were on tuners, but there have been alot without them. i think international has some calibration issue with the torque robots (made in japan lol). but as far as the weird smokey, no power, stupid trucks has mainly been stockers. i have only had one vehicle that had the banks tuner i think that ended up being customer pay. from a techs point of veiw, we know if you tune or not tune. you can hide the box, unplug it, disconnect batteries, whatever makes you happy.
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Originally Posted by BowTieHatr
i know from experience and from what i have seen and heard, it does not matter if the truck has a tuner or not. i will admit that more headgasket failure in my eyes were on tuners, but there have been alot without them. i think international has some calibration issue with the torque robots (made in japan lol). but as far as the weird smokey, no power, stupid trucks has mainly been stockers. i have only had one vehicle that had the banks tuner i think that ended up being customer pay. from a techs point of veiw, we know if you tune or not tune. you can hide the box, unplug it, disconnect batteries, whatever makes you happy.
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Originally Posted by killaford
here's some more irony for you tech's, how about when a truck has problems not related to the tuner and ford voids the warranty. 
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So, how can I hide the Jobe Intake, Banks Inter-cooler, 4" exhaust with no kitty, FASS 150/150 and hardest of all, the little NOS solenoid on top of the Banks Big Ram Intake elbow? 
Certainly they still warranty mine?!? Heck, it's a 2006 for crying out loud!!
Certainly they still warranty mine?!? Heck, it's a 2006 for crying out loud!!