Well you just screwed the pooch on that one. Warranty Denied!!

 

He probably overgrossed the truck with just that cargo liner.

 

VIC wrote this awhile back----
The tuner will give you the ability to set the truck back to stock at any time. It will restore whatever program was in the truck before you plugged our product in. Codes will be erased (not just hidden, but erased) so there will be no way they can tell tuning was installed.

We aren't pushing these things too hard.....boost is still reasonable and EGT's are low.
The tuning will not cause a failure in the vehicle (this has been tested extensively), and should you ever have an issue with your truck....ALWAYS restore the stock program before going to the dealer.
If you follow this procedure, you will not have any warranty issues.

There were some serious problems with the 6 Liter (especially initially, so Ford has seen a number of failures in stock trim). If a trip to the dealer is necessary for any reason, ALWAYS return the truck to stock first.

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Jim Ferraro






OK hes not a salesman but not very honest but he fits the bill as a salesman.

 

I don't have a tuner but here is my question. IF tuning will not cause failure because of extensive testing or whatever, why should you ALWAYS return your vehilce back to the stock tune? Seems to me if you took your vehicle in for service and the dealer said it was because of the tuner, the literature, because of the extensive testing that is done, should be readily available and easy to prove the dealer wrong making them cover the repair?

Am I looking at this wrong?

 

That's the issue.... and you just supported the whole reason or irony of this topic.... if it is so safe why take it out? If so safe, leave it in and you stand behind it? Take it out and the tech is not sure why something blew? No matter if your adding 45HP, 75HP or 100HP... your creating the need for more air and fuel... which creates more heat and pressure... which creates higher everything.

I think that modding as we know it will stop with the new 6.4L motors and new diesels from all manufactures. The 6.0L was the first to be so highly tuned and with so many sensors, EGR's and other stuff, that consumers and aftermarket companies are unable to do what they had done before.

As Vloney wrote in post #1... how ironic that that someone have a problem but the tech can't fix it... since the tuner was taken out... or the problem can be seen, but no cause (exceot maybe a tuner) can be seen??

I am not in favor of the "pay to play then hide what you paid for" and still blame Ford!!! An educated man can figure out (right or wrong) that the 6.0L is not the best platform to MOD... so why do it... then bitch about it and blame the tech and Ford!!

 

For one thing, if they reflash your computer, it will lock out your tuner and you've screwed the pooch. Other than that, I think you're srewing with the tech to remove it. I, not like all, would just tell them there's a tune on my truck so don't reflash it. I wouldn't want to remove it since it may be a part of the problem or may not be. Of course, if I take my truck to a Ford Dealership, it'll be vloney's and he knows what I've done already anyway. ROFL It's hard to hide since my user name on here is the same as my license plate! It's also too hard to hide all the other mods anyway. That little NOS solenoid can't just be removed. lol

 

Bravo, Beach---The issue wasnt whether I/we can see a tuner, it was the humor involved in it all. Thanks Firesoutmatt for making my point!

 

lol no problem . That was a quote from Vic the Superchips man by the way.
I believe in being honest and NOT playing dumb.

 

I do agree with your first statement. You can't blame Ford if the tuner caused the problem. I don't.

I do NOT agree with your second statement however. The 6.0 is very mod capable. There's many guys out there proving that at the strips and pulls. You can't make a blanket statement the way you do. Not all of us that mod the 6.0 bitch about it and blame Ford. Only the ones that give the rest of us a bad name like you keep using. That's like saying that Bikers are dirty and start alot of fights and are all gang members. Or that guns kill people.

What you can say is that it's wrong to bitch about it, try and hide it and blame Ford. I don't do that and there are others out there, believe it or not, that don't blame Ford. We fix it, pay and make further mods to try and prevent it happening again.

It's a choice that must be made by the owner. Also, it doesn't matter if it's a 6.0 or a 7.3 or even a Duramax or Cummings. None of them are designed by the facotry for modding. That's why it's called Modding. The owner chooses he wants more power and researches the choices and makes them knowing full well that he may break something and have to fix it.

I really took offense to your "An educated man can figure out (right or wrong) that the 6.0L is not the best platform to MOD". I am an educated man. I'm not an Ozark hick! I have a Masters in Business. I have a US Coast Guard Captains License and an FAA Pilot's License. I made my choice because I like to do these things. It's fun to me. It's a hobby. I know the rules and I play by them.

 

I figured it was something like that, Its kind of out of character for you!

 

Understand and I appologize.

However, the 6.0L motor (as compared to the 7.3L and others) was the first to employ new technology such as EGR valves, variable turbo vanes and highly programmed sensors... I stand by the fact of what people posted here and at other sites that the 6.0L does not handle increased HP via tuner as the say the 7.3L does or did.

My reference to "an educated man" was an extension of the comment above that if one really reads the posts on this site and many others, the 6.0L has issues (some Ford has corected and some not). Others have posted about issues about tuners... others promote taking them out before going to a dealer. Overall, people would see that the 6.0L was made for a certain HP and torque and there are some that say the motor is great, its just Ford's programming and injectors that are junk!!! People are not reporting theses issues with Int'ls version of their VT365 motor!!

Did not mean to infer that you would try to cheat the dealer or not able/willing to "pay to play"... but yes, my post was meant as a general post to everyone that when "pushed" the 6.0L does have issues otherwise this would be a slow forum... as every day many feel compelled to complain... that's why I promote limited modding based on what I have leanred and read on this and other sites. This is why I post links to much of what I write as to back-up my position and not just hearsay.

Sorry but did not mean to infer you were stupid in any way... but believe me there are plenty on this site to go around... [Edited by kw5413] where are you???

 

I think Jeff could've clarified what he meant a little more, but I get his point. What you're doing to your truck is the way we used to do it, and why my 6.0 is bone stock. Performance mods used to require that you changed more than one item to account for the increase in power and knew enough about the engine to know what the effects of the mod were going to be. You couldn't just change some programming and BAMMM! You're done. Without any consideration for the stresses that the new part might be putting on the engine. Basically, you knew what you were doing or you ended-up having a used parts sale in the middle of the street. That isn't the case with tuners. You simply have to be smart enough to find the OBC plug and read a few instructions. Add on top of that the complexity and systems integration of the 6.0 and what you have is a recipe for disaster. I don't trust tuning companies enough to believe they've made it "safe" and dummy-proof for me and I don't know enough about this engine and it's systems to want play, and until I do, it'll stay stock. You, Matt and several others have taken the time to know your engine, so I don't think Jeff was directing that comment at you. Just the folks who really don't know the engine, put in a tuner, break something, and then lie about not having a tuner and blame Ford for having an inferior engine. I chuckle when I hear someone say they bought a tuner for the "mileage increase" and have never gotten on it to see what the truck can do with a tuner. Right!! And I lifted my dually so I could go over mall speed bumps easier.

 

Thank you for clarifying what I meant to say and sorry to Matt on a personal level.

 

EnviroCon,

What you said is exactly correct, it is so easy to just plug-in a tuner without any knowledge of basic combustion engine operation. I posted awhile back in another thread basically your same thoughts about it being to easy to increase Hp/Torque with a tuner. It's like giving a 12 year old a new pocket knife and telling him he is now a brain surgeon

Here is a link to my post for reference (#31)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/52...ml#post3988374

I have no problem with those who mod there truck and know what they are doing and getting into. I just get tired of the ones complaining about mechanical problems after instlling a tuner on there truck and don't even now how to check there own oil

I believe the 6.0 can be successfully modded (i have not done one myself) but you have to be willing to spend alot of money and time to get it right.

 

Getting close to the time to put your feet up, have cold one, and enjoy a cigar while we discuss the 6.0L forum future and the humor we all see in it from time to time.


Where else can we enjoy a diesel nationwide discussion, a cold beverage of choice , and laugh at ourselves doing it.

"Here's to those trying to catch those trying to get away with it" . .

Oh Yeah, Beech get off your Bum and get with the Ironning . . . (get the irony?)