I am about to jump off and buy an afe stage 2 air intake and an MBRP turbo back exhaust system. Have any of you guys had warranty issues after changing your intake and exhaust. I do plan to keep the cat in place.

Thanks for any help.

Rick.

05 f350CC/LB 4x4 6.0 Lariat Dk Stone

 

You're more likely to have issues with the intake than the exhaust. The stock intake is extremely good---even with some heavy duty mods. A/M intakes--especially cottongauze oiled filters can cause issues with the MAF sensor and dealers look hard at these.

 

You might want to look at the AEM Brute Force. You dont have to oil their claenable filter, just wash and dry. No over oiling again. The factory airbox is good, but very expensive to change. Last i heard was 80 bucks for a new filter. Maybe Im shopping in the wrong places, but that alone is enough reason to switch. You shouldnt have any warranty issues with either exhaust (if you use the cat) or intake, unless like npccpartsman said...you over oil and fry your map sensor. Dont be affraid to ask the dealership. I have straight pipes and an AiRaid intake on my 05. It was in the shop once last year for the heater controls vacuum pump, and they loved how it sounded. Not every dealership is the same.

Good luck!

 

...but you don't have to change it as often which will bring the price per mile MUCH cheaper!

 

Stock filter maybe more expensive than others, but under normal conditions they last for 50,000 miles or more... I change every 30,000 miles for the piece of mind and know that it is a good system.

Save your money and spend it on other mods.

Warrenty issues is a touchy subject and subject to many parameters.

1) Your dealer may or may not like and refuse to work on.

2) Ford Motor Company make just take a "hard stance" and deny just becuase they can.

3) Your manual states what you can not do and "warning statements"... so to mod your truck is a potential for "no coverage" for certain parts of your truck.

4) You would have to consider the mod your adding, who installs it, what you expect the dealer to do or not do if a problem with the mod or truck exists.

People here at FTE would love to answer your question... but there is no 100% answer to give.... except to say... any mod may void your warrenty if it contributes or causes a problem... and intakes and exhausts do affect many sensor inputs and the turbo... but again... some have great luck and some have horrible luck... so again, no 100% answer is able to be given.

Good luck on whatever you decide.

 

Im just saying that 3 filter changes could cost 240? Theres your intake cost. These trucks go for 300k or more miles easy. You dont have to change it...you dont have to change anything. The 06.5 PSD has an even better intake system....but the filter is still alot of money.

 

cpl624...Don't waste your money on an aftermarket airbox. The stock unit does the job.

 

I do both the intake and the AFE turbo back exhaust and I deleted the cat and I have had no problems with dealing with the dealership and I go in for my regular maintance. Although, I'm fairly well known even with the lower on the totem pole people that would report any little thing just to keep from gettin fired over not reporting something. But pay attention to who does the work first off, if it's a place that even th dealership might send some overflow too, then the dealer might not harp on it as much. People say not to change the old air box, some say do, it basically comes down to what makes you feel better. I did it, I feel better about it, it didn't hurt the truck, but it didn't financialy strap me either spending an extra few to do that, rather it does more then a placebo effect I don't know, but nothing got hurt so I don't feel bad about doing it. I would definately do the exhaust though, like I said, I took out the cat, I don't know where you are at and what kind of dealership your dealing with, but I didn't have a probleing doing it, but this system also allows me to put it back in if I ever have to have emmisions checked on it, which would be a sad day if a dually has to get tested. Best of luck to you on your mods.

 

You know, I thought this was common knowledge, but I guess it's not---A warranty claim cannot be refused by a dealership simply because performance modifications are present on that vehicle! This is not my opinion, this is a federal law!! The burden of proof lies with the delership to prove that the malfunction was directly caused by the upgrade. Just because you have an intake or exhaust doesn't mean crap. If this causes a problem, then they can refuse to warrenty the product, but they must then prove that the upgrade caused that problem. Dealerships don't tell you this, and service departments shudder at the thought, but it's true. I used to see this law pasted all over performance upgrade websites, but I don't see it much anymore. Oh well. But now you know.

 

You are right... but they can and will deny in certain instances and then it's on you to fight. They can deny and then you have to fight.... right or wrong... they make a decision and then wait and see how bad someone will fight it... and they know it!!!

There was a service bulletin to all dealerships advising that for many problems they have the right to request that the truck be returned to stock before attempting to fix or diognose and/ or something to the effect... "look for performance mods" when evaluating a problem."

Maybe some can cut & paste this service/broadcast bulletin... so to refute your post above... they can deny and in a perfect world they would have to prove... but in the "real world" they do not.

 

I think Beachbumcook has the right view on this. Ford can deny your warranty and it is up to you to sue them and get it resolved. Who has more resources, you or Ford? Even if you do get a lawyer to work on a contigency, he will take a third of your winnings/settlement. But in the meantime (which could easily be years) you are stuck paying for the repairs. Innocent until proven guilty, it is how our system is supposed to work.

Now if you have an intake and your radio has a problem, I don't think Ford would pull the warranty void card, but if you had an intake and turbo problems, then I think they would.

It sucks, but it is the truth.

 

Apparently, the practical application of the M & M Act is not so common knowledge. In a perfect world of law...you are correct...the burden of proof lies with the dealer / mfg. However, the world is not perfect. In practice, it seems, the burden of enforcement lies clearly in the lap of the vehicle owner.

If you would do a search here at FTE you would find that we are very schooled in the real world of warranty issues. Denial, acceptance, trickery, and any other angle you can think of.

You are very correct about one thing though. The service departments / mfgs do shudder at the thought of an owner enforcing the M & M Act. So much so that, in some cases, they refuse to allow any work of any kind on the implicated vehicle until resolution has been achieved.

So while you are busy fighting over a warranty denial regarding an exhaust mod. You could, theoretically, watch your truck rot in your driveway because of failed injectors...waiting for M & M Act resolution...because a totally unrelated matter.

 

KW5413 and Laredo are right on the money with this post. I have posted info on fighting FORD through M&M before because I have a direct source for the info...My wife is a Plantiff Attorney and has a Junior Lawyer in her firm that fights these same issues. There isn't much else to say on this issue because it's been covered before so many times.

Luckily my dealer is mod-friendly to a certain point. One thing they are funny about is all the aftermarket stickers on the trucks that come in to the shop. The service manager told me last time I was there that they try to work with their customers through anything, but when they have trucks on the racks with "Banks, SCT, AFE, MBRP" stickers all over the vehicle sticking out like a sore thumb it makes it hard for them to answer to the FORD reps that are in and out of the shop weekly. FORD has made a bigger effort to deny/prolong warranty claims on the PSD's because it costs them a lot of money. They produce a truck that works with their systems and they put a warranty on that. They know the laws protecting the consumers on aftermarket add-ons and the know Their rights even better not to mention how much time, money and effort it will put on the consumer to fight them.

It all begins and ends with your attitude when you bring your vehicle into the service lane and start the process. If you go in "Knowing" you are entitled to this&that, and that attitude is shown to the guy writing up your repair I think you will be shocked how slow the gears will turn. Your truck will be collecting dust or get flagged.

 

KW, you hit on the distinction. The law clearly states the BURDEN OF PROOF lies with the dealership, but the law is humbled by the actual situation...the BURDEN OF ENFORCEMENT. You got it right with that one.

 

Example, the dealer where I usually have warranty work done claimed my aftermarket air intake was causing my EGR problems. They would not touch it (again) until I returned it back to stock. This same dealer has been doing my warranty work since my truck was new, they had also worked on my truck 3 or 4 time after the addition of my air intake. I put it back stock, and took it to another dealer. Am I going to fight them? No way, my truck will remain un-altered; except exhaust, I threw the stock one away!