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I need some help on an axle question. I am in the process of replacing the flexible brake lines on the truck on both axles. My truck is a 1970 f250 4x4. When I went to the auto parts store, the worker there asked me if it is the 3800 pound axle. Apparently it either has the 3800 pound axle or it doesn't. I'm pretty sure I have Dana Axles, but I am not sure of their ratings or even which ones they are. I pulled the numbers off the actual axles, I was wondering if anyone knew what the numbers mean. Perhaps that will help get am answer to my autoparts store so that I can get the correct brake line.
Here are the numbers:
Front Axle:
C9TA-BU
603129-1 4.09
Rear Axle:
DOTA-AY
603196-8 4.10
The Drum size on both front and rear axles are approximately 13" in diameter if that helps. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks!!
James
1970 Ford F250 4x4
Here are the numbers:
Front Axle:
C9TA-BU
603129-1 4.09
Rear Axle:
DOTA-AY
603196-8 4.10
The Drum size on both front and rear axles are approximately 13" in diameter if that helps. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks!!
James
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James, I don't have an answer to your question.
I do know however that many times "the question" doesn't matter. (Example Steering gear)The same steering gear power and nonpower for 2wd was used from 1965 - 1979. The same seal kit is used for them all, respectfully.
I would suggest that you get a part number, for the different axles and see if they are the same. A lot of times I will tell the newly hired counter person that it doesn't matter, you pick the choice. At times if the store wasn't busy have had them look up the part for different years to see if the same part isn't used.
John
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I do know however that many times "the question" doesn't matter. (Example Steering gear)The same steering gear power and nonpower for 2wd was used from 1965 - 1979. The same seal kit is used for them all, respectfully.
I would suggest that you get a part number, for the different axles and see if they are the same. A lot of times I will tell the newly hired counter person that it doesn't matter, you pick the choice. At times if the store wasn't busy have had them look up the part for different years to see if the same part isn't used.
John
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In the still cool hours of the night, you can hear chevys rusting away.
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[FONT COLOR="#0000ff" SIZE="+1" FACE="Veranda"]The rear brake hose should be the same for all 67/72 F-250 4x4 regardless of the rear axle rating. That's because they all bolt up the same way and require the same length hose with identical fittings. The front hoses are the ones which matter. That's because hoses on the Dana 60 front end (3500 & 3800 lbs.) go from the frame to a mounting plate on the steering knuckle then there is a short (6") steel line from there to the wheel cylinder (same type of deal on both wheels). On the Dana 44 front end, (3000 & 3300 lbs.), the hose goes from the frame directly to the wheel cylinder. This distinction should allow you to get the correct hoses. If you are still unsure let me know and I will dust of the parts book and tell you more about your axles. Be sure to post the door tag code for the axle and it will make things easier for me than sorting through longs lists![/FONT]
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Stockman,
I checked the Axles today. The Front hoses go directly from the frame to the wheel cylinder, so it looks like the front axle is a dana 44. I believe the Rear Axle is a Dana 60. From what it sounds like, the front axle is NOT a 3800 pound axle, so I can give that info to the person at the autoparts store.
I pulled the numbers off the Door Plate, so hopefully that will give the final answer on any questions we may have. Here is the info:
VIN: F26YKH35606
W.B: 131
COLOR: R
MODEL: F260
BODY: 334
TRANS: A
AXLE: 24
MAX G.V.W. LBS: 06800
CERT NET H.P.: 170 (With a 360??)
RPM: 4100
D.S.O.: 540929
That is all the info off the tag. Hopefully that will be enough info. Also, the person at the sales counter said in his book that there was no part listed for the rear brake hose. Is there any other brake hose that will substitute for that? Such as a hose out of a 4x2 truck? I need the rear hose (since half the old hose is missing!) Thanks again for all your help!
James
I checked the Axles today. The Front hoses go directly from the frame to the wheel cylinder, so it looks like the front axle is a dana 44. I believe the Rear Axle is a Dana 60. From what it sounds like, the front axle is NOT a 3800 pound axle, so I can give that info to the person at the autoparts store.
I pulled the numbers off the Door Plate, so hopefully that will give the final answer on any questions we may have. Here is the info:
VIN: F26YKH35606
W.B: 131
COLOR: R
MODEL: F260
BODY: 334
TRANS: A
AXLE: 24
MAX G.V.W. LBS: 06800
CERT NET H.P.: 170 (With a 360??)
RPM: 4100
D.S.O.: 540929
That is all the info off the tag. Hopefully that will be enough info. Also, the person at the sales counter said in his book that there was no part listed for the rear brake hose. Is there any other brake hose that will substitute for that? Such as a hose out of a 4x2 truck? I need the rear hose (since half the old hose is missing!) Thanks again for all your help!
James
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Because I just finnished refurbishing my own front axle. I can help. I have a 71 F250 4X4. On your Differental Housing Facing front there should be a metal tag. If not, stamped in raised letters on the housing should be one of the following 3 things .... 44-6BF, 44-6F, 44-6HD. Respectivly the axles are as follows in weight class: 3500, 3300, 3800. You would know immediatly if you have the HD because it uses external locking hubs rather than the internal ones used in the 6f and 6BF. If you have the 6BF you have what i do. And indeed i have the part number for that particualr hose, BTW it is about 28" long or more. For a hose manufactured by BENDIX/Allied Signal Part, 88427. ANother reference number is GW30. Hope that helps. ALso if you have the same axle i do have you had any trouble with the locking hubs on the driver side?
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Here is what I am able to discern for you:
1970 F250 4wd Pickup
8 Cyl, 360ci, 2bbl
Kansas City Assembly Plant
4 spd, Manual, New Process 435
You had no Front Axle code
That usually means Dana 44)
Rear Axle: 4.10 5200lb Dana 60
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1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd LWB Styleside
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flareside
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Here is what I am able to discern for you:
1970 F250 4wd Pickup
8 Cyl, 360ci, 2bbl
Kansas City Assembly Plant
4 spd, Manual, New Process 435
You had no Front Axle code
That usually means Dana 44)
Rear Axle: 4.10 5200lb Dana 60
[/FONT][BR]
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[FONT COLOR="#ff0000" SIZE="+2" FACE="Bassett"]Stock Man[/FONT]
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1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd LWB Styleside
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flareside
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Now that I have the axles properly identified, I have gone to the autoparts store to attempt to order the new brake lines. It turns out that these are next to impossible to find! Bendix no longer makes brake lines for my truck. I have tried autokrafters, and several other parts distributers and they say they cannot get them. So... my question is... has anyone recently bought brake lines for a 67-72 4wd f250 with a dana 44 front and dana 60 rear? If so... I would greatly appreciate a number or website. Thanks!
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[FONT COLOR="#0000ff" SIZE="+1" FACE="Veranda"]You said brake lines, but I assume you meant the hoses. I might possible have a few part numbers somewhere which would allow you to order what you need. Another way to do it, however, is to ask your part guy to look it up by specification rather than application. There is a book of hoses which will show a picture and details as to the fitting sizes and hose diameter and length. That's all you really need. Take your old ones and ask them to fix you up!
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Stockman,
I had thought about trying to bring in the hoses to find a match, but I wasn't sure if that would work or not. If you have some part numbers, that would be great! I'll try that first... otherwise I will try the other method.
If I have to have them match up the rear Hose, that may be a problem. Half of the hose is missing! It dry rotted itself off a long time ago. The front brake hoses are more or less in tact... except the one that has a big crack in it. I guess for the rear hose as long as I have the measurements and the correct thread size for the hose I guess Im alright. Any info will be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
James
I had thought about trying to bring in the hoses to find a match, but I wasn't sure if that would work or not. If you have some part numbers, that would be great! I'll try that first... otherwise I will try the other method.
If I have to have them match up the rear Hose, that may be a problem. Half of the hose is missing! It dry rotted itself off a long time ago. The front brake hoses are more or less in tact... except the one that has a big crack in it. I guess for the rear hose as long as I have the measurements and the correct thread size for the hose I guess Im alright. Any info will be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
James
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I need longer brake hoses for my 4X4 because of the lift. I went to the local brake and clutch shop and the man told me that all he needed was the length I wanted and he could match them up or make them to any length I wanted. I have not done this yet. Just a thought.
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>[FONT COLOR="#0000ff" SIZE="+1" FACE="Veranda"]You said brake
>lines, but I assume you
>meant the hoses. I
>might possible have a few
>part numbers somewhere which would
>allow you to order what
>you need. Another way
>to do it, however, is
>to ask your part guy
>to look it up by
>specification rather than application.
>There is a book of
>hoses which will show a
>picture and details as to
>the fitting sizes and hose
>diameter and length. That's
>all you really need.
>Take your old ones and
>ask them to fix you
>up!
>
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>
>
>[FONT COLOR="#ff0000" SIZE="+2" FACE="Bassett"]Stock Man[/FONT]
>[FONT COLOR="#0000ff" SIZE="-1" FACE="Tahoma"]
>1967 F250 4wd Mini Fire Truck
>
>1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd LWB
>Styleside
>1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB
>Flareside
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stock man,
for some reason i doubt it but is there anyway i can get that 67 series sig for myself for other sites?i wouldn't use it here cause i like to show my love for fords in nuetral sites.thanks if you can help.
...blue
1970 f250 4x4
>lines, but I assume you
>meant the hoses. I
>might possible have a few
>part numbers somewhere which would
>allow you to order what
>you need. Another way
>to do it, however, is
>to ask your part guy
>to look it up by
>specification rather than application.
>There is a book of
>hoses which will show a
>picture and details as to
>the fitting sizes and hose
>diameter and length. That's
>all you really need.
>Take your old ones and
>ask them to fix you
>up!
>
>http://members.aol.com/tbeeee/page/signature.gif
>
>
>[FONT COLOR="#ff0000" SIZE="+2" FACE="Bassett"]Stock Man[/FONT]
>[FONT COLOR="#0000ff" SIZE="-1" FACE="Tahoma"]
>1967 F250 4wd Mini Fire Truck
>
>1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd LWB
>Styleside
>1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB
>Flareside
>http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee
stock man,
for some reason i doubt it but is there anyway i can get that 67 series sig for myself for other sites?i wouldn't use it here cause i like to show my love for fords in nuetral sites.thanks if you can help.
...blue
1970 f250 4x4
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Just wanted to write an update on this issue.
I was able to sucessfully find a rear brake hose that worked fine. It was made by a manufacturer that makes D.O.T. brake hoses for lifted trucks. The name escapes me at the moment, but they do have a website. The hoses are installed, but I am waiting until I can get the front hoses installed before I bleed the system. I ended up ordering hoses for a 1996 F350. The fittings matched almost perfectely. One adapter later, they are installed and ready for use!
I ended up finding a place in Jersey that could custom make the front hoses. I sent them my originals to copy. I should hopefully have them back in a week or less. I just wanted to thank everyone for their help. After 4 months of owning my truck, I am almost ready to get her on the road. I'm sure I'll be back for more questions. This is a great place for info!
James Kern
I was able to sucessfully find a rear brake hose that worked fine. It was made by a manufacturer that makes D.O.T. brake hoses for lifted trucks. The name escapes me at the moment, but they do have a website. The hoses are installed, but I am waiting until I can get the front hoses installed before I bleed the system. I ended up ordering hoses for a 1996 F350. The fittings matched almost perfectely. One adapter later, they are installed and ready for use!
I ended up finding a place in Jersey that could custom make the front hoses. I sent them my originals to copy. I should hopefully have them back in a week or less. I just wanted to thank everyone for their help. After 4 months of owning my truck, I am almost ready to get her on the road. I'm sure I'll be back for more questions. This is a great place for info!
James Kern
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Blue:
I am sorry I haven't responded sooner, but I just saw your post on the logo tonight. (Don't know how I missed it). The logo took a great deal of time to develop. I am flattered that you like it, but I'd like it to remain unique as it also doubles as my site's opening screen. I would be willing to barter my services to help you develop something unique to you. Contact me off list, we'll talk.[FONT]
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Blue:
I am sorry I haven't responded sooner, but I just saw your post on the logo tonight. (Don't know how I missed it). The logo took a great deal of time to develop. I am flattered that you like it, but I'd like it to remain unique as it also doubles as my site's opening screen. I would be willing to barter my services to help you develop something unique to you. Contact me off list, we'll talk.[FONT]
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