I hope it doesn't end up like the "Ford Headed Toward Bankruptcy, But Support Of Homosexual Groups Continues" thread.

 

Buckeyebronco,
I see that my post #45 was almost written at the same time that yourpost #44 was. I think we basically stated the same message to Dennis (Mil1on). Communication is often the cause of disagreement.

 

I just took that carbon production test.

Something is fishy because it's telling me my truck is producing 15,000 lbs of carbon. I had to run out to the driveway to check for a log of carbon I must be dragging along with me.

 

you but if you talk to some of the most respected economists and scientist they will agree that global warming is happening,



But man is also causing it in whatever quantity we are. Therefore, not the sole cause, but a portion thereof. Just because man is causing it to a degree doesn't mean that volcanos aren't causing the globe to warm as well.


[b] Agreed, BUT remember "Terminology is everything"....

I and many scientists call Global Climate change due to "Earth cycles".

Some seem to feel this happens every 700 years, right now we may be in the middle of it.

ie: The 350 year area.

This is a HUGE ball of mass, floating/revolving rotating through space with the sun pounding its rays upon it continually we're talking about.

My major point is : This will happen whether man is on the planet making smoke signals or not.

Man's contribution IMO is minute'.

I just want the "Emotional Rants" from people to stop .....and talk science not Jabblerwocky.


Note: What happens in the ClubFTE thread was from mis-intepretation and terminology as well.

My suggestion was choose your words well... so they don't get mis-interpreted or word ......assumed

 

Actually looking at the data globally paints a picture quite different from global warming. Some parts of the globe have been warming up over the past 30 years or so while others have been cooling by similar amounts. Also, carbon dioxide is such a small fraction of a percent of our atmosphere that any increase would have little to no effect on global temperature.

Also, the hole in the ozone layer was discovered in 1956. That was before CFC's were widespread (or even available). The whole global warming thing smacks of pseudo-science. Peoples hearts are in the right place, but their facts aren't.

 

And we should READ words carefully as well, since at times they themselves can be mis-interpreted. Especially with a preconception. The way I read Buckeyebronco's statement was not the way you read it. I read from Buckeybronco's statement that yes, man is doing it and so is it happening naturally as well. So which interpretation was correct? My guess would be that given you are fed up with environazis jibberjabbering their nonsense, then maybe you were ready for one of those emotional rants and took it as such. I could be wrong but it looks that way to me. I just don't think Buckeyebronco's statement was concluding a sole source, but that human impacts are causing some GW.

The English language is flawed that way, especially when communicated electronically. No body language to clarify. I can see your point in that people need to choose their words carefully, but communication is a two way street. The responsibility lies with both the sender and receiver for effective communication. It takes alot of energy to be understood and to understand. Don't you think?

OK, back on topic, I can't wait for my days off. It's supposed to be very warm and I intend on getting a good sunburn with a beer in my hand.
And for the record, I hope the opinion you stated in the above post is correct. For all of our sake.

 

High 75°F 96°F 93°F 95°F 102°F 102°F 87°F
Low 51°F 56°F 57°F 58°F 60°F 64°F 59°F
Date Tue30 Wed31 Thu1 Fri2 Sat3 Sun4 Mon5

I don't know what is causing global warming but I think I have my "share" of warmth here in Wine Country...

 

Tuesday-63º
Wednesday-64º
Thursday-63º
Friday-67º
Saturday-66º

Here's proof of global warming.

Look at Friday's temp.

We're all doomed.

Time for a beer.

 

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The way I read Buckeyebronco's statement was not the way you read it. I read from Buckeybronco's statement that yes, man is doing it and so is it happening naturally as well. So which interpretation was correct?
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Buckeye's reply in the first sentence of post #43 cleared up his thoughts about the CAUSE of what is considered by humans as Global warming.

Global warming is a term I think was created by Enviro-***** to scare people into making Governments take up things like the "Kyoto " agreement which does absolutely Nothing to make Earth's air (atmosphere) cleaner because it seems that some places are getting hotter.

Well, some places on Earth are getting colder as well

Climate change IMO is on-going cyclic change to Earth just like at other planets.


Global warming and Kyoto.

Kyoto is meant to shift money around the world and give the people a false sense of accomplishment.

The US has done more than Canada in reducing emissions and they are right in saying NO to Kyoto.
Canada already has it's own means of lowering emissions.

My comments about Volcano's and Forest Fires is...IMHO ... they ! are first and foremost the cause atmospheric change.

IMHO, Earth constantly goes through cyclic changes and that's what people are witinessing more than anything....Not the result of 100 years of cars/trucks burning gasoline.

Heck... Industry is a larger contributor to the quality of air we breathe.

Go over to Russia,China,etc to see what they spew into the air over there.

 

You don't have to go to Russia or China to see what's spewing in the air.

Just look at the L.A. basin on the summertime.

It can also get bad up here, too, in the Yerba Buena area.

Lucky we have the on shore winds to move it to the central valley.

 

yeah, my geology professor said we have 'mini cycles' about every 700 years, and a big swing about every 10,000. Hence, the ice age. We're supposed to be peaking pretty well for temperature, as far as these average cycles go. Of course, it's all relative time, not numeric.

Ryan

 

Let's look at a variety of scientific data and sources to conclude what mankind has done to scar and pollute earth and its atmosphere in the past and in present time and into the future.

"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction" Newton's third law of motion.

Listed are some types of pollutions,

High-Power Microwave (HPM) sources.

Mercury in fish,
sources: air pollution, manufacturing, natural sources.

Dioxin,
sources: bleaching paper, making some herbicides

PCB's
sources: pre-1970s electrical equipment, hydraulic fluids

Radioactivity,
sources: nuclear waste, reactor leaks, fallout, natural radioactivity
Acid rain

Oil pollution ending in the water and oceans.
sources: Big spills, routine maintenance, down the drain, up in smoke thru emmissions, offshore drilling, natural seeps.
60 million gallons of oil enter the oceans yearly from oil bearing rock layers and is part of a natural seeping process.

Deforestation,
sources: lumber, grazing, human habitat, fire.

The earth eventually will cure it self thru the earth cycle of erosion, heat, and etc...

 

The most important point I think that I made was in post number 43. Tread Lightly, I think that as inhabitants of the earth we all should do our part to not intentionally destroy all we have.

There are going to be no clear winners or lossers in this debate. Yes, on average across the world it is getting warmer. Is it supposed to, is it not supposed to? Who knows, that is why none of this can be considered a science.

I just think why intentionally pollute more than is neccisary, it seems to me that some people on here have an attitude that they are just going to continue burining tires and plastic no matter what anybody says. Why can't everybody bear a little more burden to make the place we all live a little bit better?

 

Your comments are well received and I feel the same way.

It is the hysterical/enviro-***** that want to WASTE money in schemes like Kyoto that cause me concern.

There are also a lot of people also get grants from governments to keep looking into it for the OTHER side.

These people are on a gravy train..what else would they do if the funding stopped ?

 

Just a thought.
If man is doing things that affect the size and intensity of these natural occurances, then will this cause a snow ball affect (no pun intended)? By tilting nature off balance, I think we're walking a dangerous path. If we have created a trend where increasing GW has broken the pendulum swing and i.e. compounded fires, causing fires to get larger, causing more GW, causing fires to get larger etc..... What is to say that we insignificant humans don't have the ability to upset and adversely affect this huge ball of mass. Kind of like tipping a line of dominos. Creating perpetual change which we may (if we haven't caused it already) not be able to stop once in motion? It would be a totally obscure outcome as we don't have knowledge even enough of our own exsistance to fully understand our potential to destroy our planet. It seems to me that we spin on an axis that is balanced for duration and longevity. If we tip the balance, what affect will the wobble have. What would happen to that old Ford of yours if you JB welded a chunk of steel on the outside of the harmonic balancer. Once the bearings gave, that sucker would wobble even more, causing even more destruction, wouldn't it?
I don't know if that was a good example. Don't get caught up in the axis thing. But I think you know what I mean.

Then again, we could what if this thing to death. However, I have to agree with Buckeyebronco. Error on the side of safety and survival of all species. Especially ours.