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Old May 30, 2006 | 06:32 PM
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Autoenginuity and towing.

Had the oppurtunity to run my Autoengenuity scan/monitor software this past weekend while towing 9000lb camper.
I believe i saw the same results as JTHarvey on one of his past posts on the
subject of air temps at different points in the air intake system. Saw a range
of 10-30F difference in air temp measured at the IAT(Air Intake Temp sensor mounted on my AIS filter box) compared to the temp at the 5 way intake pipe
MAT(manifold air temp)sensor. At around 65mph on level ground with 3psi boost i had around +10F higher at MAT. I'm using a stock I/C with a 1.00 A/R exhaust housing. At around 22psi boost ,going uphill, the temp difference went up to as much as +30F between IAT and MAT.
With my new Trucool 4739 tranny cooler i saw a max of 181F going up a hill with T/C unlocked around 30-35mph.Hmmmm....makes me think about installing that T/C lock switch now. Typical cruising down the freeway at 70mph saw 148F. The outside temps were around 75F. The Autoenginuity temps pretty much matched my Dipricol gauge but the Autoenginuity responds with much quicker temp change and resolution....very nice! Will be installing my 6.0 tranny cooler soon. Should get much better temp reductions . Man that stock tranny cooler is lame!
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Old May 30, 2006 | 07:29 PM
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Did your fan turn on when your trans temp reach 181F. Isn't that the temp when it does ??
 
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Old May 30, 2006 | 07:31 PM
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Did your fan turn on when your trans temp reach 181F. Isn't that the temp when it does ??
Didn't watch for that...dang.
 
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Old May 30, 2006 | 08:25 PM
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I so need the autoenginuity software. Do you think the 6.0 cooler will be better than the 4739. What fan are you guys talking about?
 
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Old May 30, 2006 | 11:25 PM
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Nice work Nut!! Good to have someone else who has tested their intake temps and agrees with what I found. Shows consistency. That TC lock switch would probably be a good idea, especially while towing.

sgrol, you don't necessarily need the AE software, but it can provide you with an invaluable amount of information about your truck. You may not need it, but I certianly wouldn't persuade anyone not to buy it.

I think the 6.0 cooler would be much better than the 4739. I've got one that's going on my truck next week, so it's sitting in the garage and I've gotten a pretty good look at it. It's got 26 rows of cooling. The best I can count for the 4739, it's got 12-14 rows of cooling. So, the 6.0 cooler has approximately twice the cooling area of the 4739. Plus, if you ask Brian of BTS (arguably the top Ford trans builder in the country) what cooler to use, he will only reccomend the 6.0 cooler.

The fan that they're talking about is the regular fan that's attached to the water pump. It has a clutch on it that turns it on and off.
 
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Old May 31, 2006 | 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jtharvey


The fan that they're talking about is the regular fan that's attached to the water pump. It has a clutch on it that turns it on and off.

What does the tranny temp have to do with the stock radiator fan? Is that an electric fan/clutch? I thought it was a mechanical old school thermostatically activated one. Learning stuff here now.
 

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Old May 31, 2006 | 12:59 AM
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Hey nut. Did you monitor your hpop under acceleration?
 
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Old May 31, 2006 | 05:06 AM
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Hey nut. Did you monitor your hpop under acceleration?
Nope....didn't know i could....will have to check for that parameter.
Fun stuff.
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Old May 31, 2006 | 08:28 AM
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Yup, you can. I think Jody can even use some of the information that the AE software pulls to fine tune your chip/burn. I don't remember the exact details, but if you give him a call I'm sure he'd be more than happy to go over what he can do with you.
 
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Old May 31, 2006 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Tenn01PSD350
What does the tranny temp have to do with the stock radiator fan? Is that an electric fan/clutch? I thought it was a mechanical old school thermostatically activated one. Learning stuff here now.
That's why I asked. I don't see the connection between a thermostatically (temperature) controlled fan and trans temps. I thought the 4739 may have had an electric fan that was controlled by the trans temp.

JT - You're correct, I don't need the AE software but I desperately want it. I am a tech junkie - already have my laptop riding along with me with a GPS interfaced for driving directions. I would love to flip over to the AE screens and watch the info. On the other hand, I would probably just end up in a ditch somewhere while not paying attention to what I'm supposed to be doing - Driving.
 
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Old May 31, 2006 | 08:56 AM
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OK I'm dumb: How come you can't save the data for later inspection in a file somewhere????

that way you get all the data you monitored and questions asked after the fact can get answerred.

I would think 1 per minute saves ought to do it.
 
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Old May 31, 2006 | 09:26 AM
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The AutoEnginuety software is awsome. You can data log for later review and by just clicking pause, record only the times you want. I do it all the time. I data logged my truck in stock, 40, 60, 80 & 120 modes recording HPOP pressures, Duty Cycle, speed, rpm, MAP, EBP, pedal position, etc and put them on a single graph to see what effect the different settings had on all the parameters. I am a Mechanical Engineer, so data speaks volumes to me. I like putting it in graphs to look for patterns and anomalies.

A friend has a 6.o that was having intermittent problems. He took it to Ford several times and of course it wouldn't act up for them. I set up a data log and just rode around with him for about an hour with the recording on the whole time. It finially acted up and I captured it. Graphed the time just before, during and after and sent the data with him to Ford. They said they were envyous of "whatever software" we used cause they can't get that information with thier equipment.

Is it necessary, I think not, but I purhased a loptop and the software just for this purpose and don't think I could survive without it, but that is just me.
 
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Old May 31, 2006 | 09:41 AM
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6.0 cooler install

I think the 6.0 cooler would be much better than the 4739. I've got one that's going on my truck next week, so it's sitting in the garage and I've gotten a pretty good look at it. It's got 26 rows of cooling. The best I can count for the 4739, it's got 12-14 rows of cooling. So, the 6.0 cooler has approximately twice the cooling area of the 4739. Plus, if you ask Brian of BTS (arguably the top Ford trans builder in the country) what cooler to use, he will only reccomend the 6.0 cooler.
Does the 6.0 cooler bolt right in? Are there any links out there with install instructions? I just purchased a 22' TT and don't like the trans temps with the stock cooler. Thanks in advance.
 
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Old May 31, 2006 | 09:51 AM
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Hopefully Nut can give you some info on that one. For the first time since I've owned the truck, I'm actually letting someone else do the work to it and install the 6.0 cooler. But, since it's BTS that's doing it, I have no reason do worry about anything going wrong.

What I do know is that the fittings are a little different size, but I can't remember exactly what they are. Otherwise, everything I've read is that it bolts right in as a replacement for the factory cooler.
 
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Old May 31, 2006 | 12:15 PM
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You guys using the AutoEnginuety software with the enhanced Ford interface? Is the software pretty limited working on the 7.3 without the enhanced Ford interface?

There Web site shows 4.2 as latest version. As they come out with future updates I wonder how they will be priced.
 
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