New to Hawaii is 10% blend otherwise known as E-10.

My power is down and I'm sure my mileage is too but I haven't checked it in so long.

Grades I used to hold in OD at 57-60 when towing now require a downshift. &*#^$%. Only variable since the last tow is this new gas. Damn farmers*.

















*This is not intended to truly insult farmers as I like farmers. They give me lots of food to eat, work real hard and are fine Americans. They, unfortuantly for them, will bear the fruits of my rants at present.

 

when i went to Oregon and i had to fill up with E10 my mileage went from 15.4 to 13.8 and the power was down the top end suffered.

 

I can't believe this stuff, I have been runnig E10 in my vehicles for the past 14 yrs, not a lot of choice since I live in Iowa but the last time I took a trip with a gas vehicle, my mileage did not go up when I got out of the midwest, and infact some places on the trip it went down, I couldn't notice any increase or decrease in the power either way and infact seen a dyno test with a vehicle using none ethonal blended fuel first then filled it with E10 and there was such a small change in hp on the dyno that it could easily been caused by a change in humidity. (like 3hp difference)

 

Been running 10% here in WI for some time now. I guess I did'nt ntice much difference. I notice more ethenol plants going up here.

 

I run E10 anytime I can get it and have never noticed a difference in preformance or mileage. possible you might have gotten some bad gas?

 

You must remember that a few of us have had this motor for a lot of years now.

Several of us are real **** on logging every thing including each trip, the weight, fuel receipts, low, high and average MPG. oil changes etc...

The Ford Modular series V8s and V10s can have very picky appetites on the fuel. We generally find that most of the V10s definitely run better on one fuel while being noticeably (and provable by the log book data) down on power and MPG on several other fuels.

Some of us notice a definite decrease in power, MPG, and idle smoothness on several of the different "clean air blends". Others claim no difference and some actually claim better performance.

I think there in enough empirical evidence and certainly plenty of anecdotal evidence to say that the V10 PCM calibrations are expecting a consistency in the fuel that we can not always provide.

Is all 87 octane really 87RON? What happens if it is 1, 2 or 3 points on either side of 87.. I know that when I put in 85 it runs different, but I do not detect any change with 89, the poor behavior does appear with 93 and I have never found 102, and even if I did, I would not put it in my tank.

I know that the "clean air" stuff I always get was with the MTBE blending and runs like crap in my motor... As far as I know I never bought any ethanol based blends...

Monsta, and a few others, have a confined driving areas and many miles under exact conditions, (altitude, humidity, temp, weight, grades) and we can definitely FEEL, HEAR, SEE by shift pattern, and CALCULATE the effects of the fuels we are forced to buy.

If money was no problem we could easily get a E or F 450/550 and have more then enough capacity for very heavy work loads. But many of us compromise into the F250 / F350. Most of the time, this compromise was the fact that heavy hauling/Towing is only 25% or less of the truck's lifetime mileage, the rest being empty daily driving needs. In doing this we also moved away from the PSD for the quiet, less expensive, and easier to maintain gas motor...

The truth is, (and you can see it every week here with the "can I tow 12,000 pounds + with a F250" type questions) that 25% of the time we need the truck to work it's *** off for us.... we have it at, or above, it's rated capacities... Thus we NEED the max performance the mighty 415 CI is capable of.

Add to the problem the fact that many of us would love to have 50 to 100 more foot pounds Torque and many more Horse Powers... BUT, the costs to eek out a extra 15 HP are insanely high because Ford already maxed out (well sort of) most of the efficiencies, and still stayed well withing EPA levels of pollutants...

Bottom line is when we go to the pump we need the best fuel possible to get us the performance we NEED... SO paying $2.599 to $3.899 for a fuel blend that actually hurts performance is an aggravation and insult that is not easily suffered

Those of you that are lucky to have a example of this motor that does not appear to care what fuel you use, or at least you are not experiencing any noticeable (to you) degradation.... Please accept the FACT that many of us are impacted, and like Monsta, choose to vent the frustration here where it can be a great addition to the knowledge base of all the members of the BSEG forum...

We are an eclectic bunch, and do NOT like it when the government screws with our BSEG machine... I mean damn, most of us paid good hard earned American Dollars to gain a goofy grin... we expect a fuel that consistently provides the endorphins to keep the grin just shy of the drool mode...

 

Monstra, I don't have any idea what to tell you except maybe that station got a bad batch of gas. Have you complained to them? A person could draw a sample of that fuel and send it to a lab for analysis, I guess, to see what you really had in there.

I have burned E-10 exclusively in my '99 V-10 F-250 till I traded it at 95k miles, and now exclusively in my '05 F-350 and never had any problems with power, performance, starting. As a matter of fact, a new E-85 station is opening up near me selling that stuff at 85 cents per gallon cheaper than E-10, and I am going to try some of that fuel next in my '05.

 

Yep, no problem with mine on E10, I run it quite regularly and cann't notice a bit of difference between it and the reg. The only thing I can say in my defense is that our E10 is rated at 89 octane versus the reg at 87. Also on the benificial side the E10 is just about always a nickle cheaper than the regular,

I also have a FFV Ford Taurus and have run E85 a number of times. I have experienced a slight drop in economy (1-3mpg depending on conditions) but there is definitly no drop in power. they actually say that you can expect up to anoth 5hp when running E85 right in the owners manual! no I don't think I can notice this extra 5hp but there is definitly no loss.

Monsta, I am not a farmer but do take some offence to your last comment. There are a lot of us from the midwest and uper plains whoms economy is directly related to the health of our farming community. Right now is cost more to put the crop in the ground than it pays out at the end of the year at harvest!! We ne viable sources of agracultual based products that actually produce an income, not a loss. Ethonal, Biodiesel, legalized hemp, conola ect ect are just a few examples of how our economy has had to move to since small grains, food & seed producing crops have not raise in price but fuel is up over $50 and acre just this year, anhiedrus amonia is up over double what it was last year, and the price of equipment hasn't gotten any cheaper. A new combine may run as high as $280k, a new seeder up towards a $100k, a tractor at $150k-$200k yet the net payout is $2/bussel grain!! kinda hard to come out on that deal but everyone likes to have ceral in the morning or a peice of toast with your eggs, or flour for cooking right?? I don't want to start a war a big debate, just wanted to show a little reasoning from the farmers standpoint. They're in business to make money just like anybody else. It's more EPA driven then anything but thats a whole nother topic, lol.

 

Monsta, do you have the California Emissions package?

I do, and never notice a difference running 10% ethanol. And I have certainly gotten 100% gasoline out-of-state and never notice a freakin' difference. Never noticed the switch from MTBE to E10 either.

Maybe I'm just lucky.

Maybe you should reset the computer and let it re-learn?

 

E10 does not like mine for towing.
Went thru Iowa and Neb using it, reduced mpg towing for sure. Was mostly on flat land so not real sure of performance changes while towing.
So I avoid E10 when I can.

 

Up Here in the Northwest, We have had e5 and e10 ratios for sometime, and I noticed 40-50 miles lost per tank. It was explained to me, that there are less BTU's
or energy per gallon, so it takes more to do the same.. So Back to Chevron. and the tanker driver for chevron told me, as they fill the tanks, the 87,89,91, & 94 octane grades are done by mixing the two types he carries. When he runs low of the high octane, he dumps the remainder in the low octane tanks, so somedays 87 octane may be 89. but never the other way around.

 

In the last few years people in the boating industry on Long Island were having a hard time with the E10 in their boats, going so far as to blow up their brand-new 2-cycle outboards using the stuff.

Motor manufacturer went out of their way and tested lots of local gas stations and found most if not all stations were selling gas that was more like 15-20% ethanol...

 

I have burned E10 for over 15 years in various vehicles and there still are the old wives' tales out there that say that it will plug your fuel system up, etc, etc. Never experienced any of that and it has been run in everything from chainsaws, 50 year old tractors, lawn mowers, etc.
I have run E85 through my V10 several times with no short term consequences other than lower gas mielage with E85.
BTW-A gas station is no longer required to inform you that they have E10 in their pumps. You could be burning it and not know it unless you smelled it. A lot of stations could be using it because it is usually cheaper than regular unleaded gas.

 

E85 in your V10, no sh!! huh. How well did it run on the stuff. I know my taurus has a sensor that tells the ECU what % ethonal the tank has in it and adjusts the timimg automaticly along with stainless fuel lines and different gaskets and O-rings throughout the fuel system. Cann't remember what else, but I don't think I would try it in my own V10 and I think its a good product, when used in vehicles that can take it. Just curious how much your mileage dropped since the V10 doesn't adjust the timing to take advantage of the higher octane?

 

Yeah, I know I don't have the right fuel lines,etc. I am currently chipless but I was depending upon it to up my timing. I noticed on a 32 degree morning that it didn't light up as quickly and idle would fluctuate a little. I wasn't pulling it hard, just had 4500# in the bed on the way home. My nearest E85 station is 65 miles away. Mileage drops around 1.5 near as I can tell. I was down to a 1/4 tank of E10 when I fueled up with E85. I would prefer to run a E40 or 50 myself. They price the stuff so it is a breakeven in my area when it could be $1 lower and not be losing money.