Around here the price of E85 is $1 lower then the rest of the stuff. Now with the tax exemption off I think Its like 60c-80c cheaper than regular.

 

Well to speak to the power issues here, does anyone remember what the old moonshine runners put in there tanks for a little extra kick to help them outrun the revenuers? Yep they dumbed in some of thier product, known as moonshine, and today known as ethonal. Does anyone know what prostock racers run in there cars? thats right alchohol, granted it's methonal but it's still alky, although one of them is now running ethonal, and the car although not totally dialed in yet is kicking tail on the stuff (can't remember who it is, I just remember reading about it in a link that I think was actually on FTE). One thing about ethonal to remember it's not lower octane (as I have seen some claim, not on this thread obviuosly but it gets claimed from time to time) the actual octane rating of 100% ethonal is 105, so I contend that if your loosing power it's something wrong with the vehicles programing at best, and possibly a sensor problem that isn't enough out of range to throw a code. But I would suggest trying to clear the learned memory since 10% ethonal is mandated and let it relearn, it's entirely possible that the learned memory is having a hard time figuring out what to do with this new fuel, since as I recall the ECM programing used with the V10s is very learned reponsive, in other words I have seen people around here that get consistant MPG with thier vehicle but let someone else drive it and lose 20% on hte mileage, yet let them drive it for a little while and the mileage will come back up. I seen this with someone that bought his dads old truck, mileage dropped almost 3mpg for almost a month then slowly started coming back up to what his dad had been getting with it.

 

Yo... Lissen up ya all..... the PCM and timings are designed to burn 87 OCTANE.... get off the idea that having higher OCTANE = having MORE POWER... it is just the opposite! Sheesh

 

I want to reasure you that I was not saying I gain anything in my truck fred (and the comment may have not been pointed at me). In my car they say that it is indeed suppose to have an extra 5hp with E85 but thats only because the system is designed to utilize the higher octane. Now what I did say is my truck doesn't seem to care and I wonder if it's because the E10 is 89 octane versus the reg which is 87 octane (maybe this makes up for some of the defiency), I really have no Idea but I have been undable to detect any difference in any of my three vehicles when running E10 which I do nearly all the time in both of my cars (40k miles worth each year!!) and probably 1/2 the time in the truck (when out hunting and at the lake many times you only have one choice other wise I'd run it in the truck all the time too). I won't comment on the clean air MTB junk since I have no experience with that but the ethonal I definitly do!

 

same junk here in new jersey. you can smell the grain in the fuel now more then before and my gas milage over the last 3 tanks was down to 10.3 and towing forget it about 9. i have not done a fill-tow fill so it's just a guess. there.
s till $3.00 a gal today forget the marina it was $4.15 for 93.
for me it's gotten to the point something tinny for a dayly driver is here. maybe a focus or hundi.

 

Monsta try running a couple of tanks and see how it runs it dose tend to clean the fuel system but after a couple of tanks it should start running better, at least that has always been my experience.

The ones that are using it on the coasts what is the octane rating at the pump, is it still 87 or higher.

Denny

 

I wouldn't mind running it if was cheaper to offset the power/milage drop.
I just made a trip to the San Francisco area for a race and almost all of the gas stations up there were Shell, 10% blend. What really got me was when I found a Chevron, and I really had to look for it, it wasn't gasohol and it was CHEAPER, almost 10 cents a gallon! What is that crap?
They want me to get worse milage, and you will with less BTU per gallon plain and simple, and pay more for it? Not a chance in hell.

 

monsta
be thankfull you don't have to burn milk with it's price out by you. that almost $8.00 i paid for a gal out there made the store have to pick me up of the floor.
gt4 same here only it's the gettys at 10 cents cheaper per gal. every thing else includeing the no names are at $3.02 today for the junk they market as 87 blend that smells like pure grain.and melts the coatings off the inside of our older plastic marine fuel tanks.

 

What you seen is what happens to a lot of people who run non ethenol and then switch to a tank of ethenol. The ethenol burns hotter and cleaner and therefore "burns off" the junk deposited and left from the non ethenol. So you will see problems and maybe a rough running engine for a couple of tanks untill the gunk cleans out. Don't blame the farmer for trying to solve big oils problems.

 

i just changed my fuel filter today. take a look in the gallery at what came out of it. thats if that was gas not bunker oil .

 

That's some nasty stuff charlie!! Out of all of my vehicles I've never had anything like that come out of a fuel filter!

 

the smell of it is unreal. and the oil companys call it gasoline. i'm thinking 2 bottles of techron is due.

 

I've been running the clean-air MTBE and Ethanol, and mostly from the CHEAPEST guy in town, a Gulf station, all 87 octane.

My filter was COMPLETELY CLEAR of any particulates and certainly no crud like Cap's

I can definitely smell the alky in the gas. And the exhaust.

But that crud? Nope...

The filter was pretty clogged, but seemed to be more varnish than anything.

 

I wonder if the alky is acting like biodiesel does and cleaning out hte tank and any gunk that is in there is now in your filter. I don't know just thinking out loud type of thing

 

well don't ask me why but it double posted that, so this is just editing out the double post.