Just wondering what trannys will fit rather then one made for a Y block bellhousing?

Thanks
Ryan

 

3 truck transmission bellhousings immediately come to my mind: The HD 3sp - 4sp - 5sp bell, the LD/MD 3sp - 3sp - OD bell, and the Cruise O Matic bell.

Which one did you have in mind?

Or, were you referring to car bellhousings, where there are also three that come to mind: one for the 3sp - 3 sp OD, one for the Cruise O Matic, and one that is attached to the 2sp Ford O Matic.

Did you mean one of these?

There are a ton of transmission posts on this forum, some of which I've written on under this name and also under a different one, years ago. There are a number of answers to either or both -- car or truck -- bellhousings. Some depend on what sort of modifications you are willing/able to make.

 

i think he wants to know what transmissions will fit a truck bell.the answer is none without a lot of work.

 

BTW, there are two versions of the Ford-O-Matic two speed. One with cast iron case that is actually a 3-speed if you use manual low, and the second, an attempt at a Powerglide clone, that is aluminum-cased and actually has only 2 speeds (forward).
Want some more confusion? Gotta bucketful around here somewhere...
tom

 

Bentdsen has a kit to adapt C4/C6/AOD to a Y. Pricey but high quality and complete.
There have been several articles on modifying a FMX.

A true 4spd toploader will adapt with all Ford parts.

Sometimes the big question is where do you place the shifter? Often going to buckets is the easier choice.

 

How about if you want to go the other way?

I have a 239 "Y" bolted to a T-98. How about if I want to bolt a 300 (six) to the T-98? Do you think there's an adapter or a bell that would just do it?

 

HT,

You might find this thread of interest:

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...d.php?t=473597

I haven't yet found one of these bells over the past couple of weeks, but I haven't had much time to pursue it, either.

I'm not a real fan of either the T-98 or the 239 (ex-drag racer, need more oomph , plus the T-98's gears are approximately the size of a mill paddlewheel & just that heavy), but a 272, 292, or if you live right, a 312, will all bolt in. 272s & 292s are not too difficult to find with some scrounging & can be built quite nicely. A 272 can usually be bored to a 292 with no problem unless the block has horrible core shift.

 

Thanks!

According to that thread, it appears that a 60's 300 + bell housing might bolt to whatever a Y-Block will bolt to. My F-600 has a T-98 in it right now.

If the 300 turns out to do *OK* I'd like to connect it to an E4OD.

I have a practically dead 239 and I'd like to find a 300.... They are plentiful around here for cheep cheep cheep!


Thanks,

Rick

 

Rick,

The 300 has the std. SBF pattern. You should be able to use the AOD or E4OD with no problem.

If it were up to me...I'd consider the AOD, with a few mild mods. The E4OD is a descendant of the C6 and is ungodly heavy, and bulky. (Bench-pressed one in & out of my StooperCab in 2004, still recovering.) Seriously, they are overkill for almost anything. The AOD is fairly small, can be easily modded to survive, especially behind a mild 300, & is reliable as long as the TV cable is properly installed & adjusted. Just my pref., the E4OD works well too. For your big ol' truck, I'd talk to Broader Performance http://www.broaderperformance.com/ or Performance Automatics, both Ford trans specialists, to see which they recommend.

 

I have considered an AOD ...My next door neighbor has one in his 85 F-250 behind a 351 I think.

as far as heavy and bulky goes........the more the better! This is an F-600 remember! I want to be able to put 6 pallets of brick on the back and step on the gas!


Another friend has a SuperDuty F-450 with a 7.3D/ E4OD and routinely pulls a mini excavator with it.....(20,000lbs total combined) so I'm sure the E4OD will work well in mine. I would even consider a 7.3 too if I could find someone that has put one in and not had a problem running into the steering box with the left side exhaust manifold.

I'll check that site...there's a zillion of them out there that "aftermarket" auto transmissions!



THanks,

RIck

 

Probably the biggest issue with the AOD (other than misadjusted cables) is the fact that in stock form, they just ain't that great. Later ones are a little stronger. Modified by a good, knowledgeable trans shop, they'll be fine, 700+ hp & 600 ft. lb. torque capable. The E4OD is a lot tougher in bone stock form, kinda sorta like comparing the C6 to the C4. The E4OD does have a few weak spots, but I doubt your 300 will find them. A tuned PowerStroke will do it, though.

There are a lot of good trans people out there, & a lot of bad ones too. I mentioned PA & Broader because they are both Ford trans specialists, & both have a very good rep among Ford racers. I've dealt, or have firsthand knowledge of others who have dealt with them, & had nothing but good to say. But there's plenty of local guys who are good too.

I forgot to mention, & maybe you know it already, but the E4OD (now called the 4R100 these days) requires a separate controller to work. I don't know if any of the late computer-controlled 4.9 EFI engines (late 300 CI) ever had the E4OD; all I've seen with them is the EAOD. Maybe the computer can be modded to run a E4OD, I can't say.

If not, the only aftermarket controller I know of at this time is the Baumann Engineering unit. Unfortunately, the controller will cost as much as the transmission, or more. That's one reason why I prefer the AOD for retrofits, but I forgot to mention it earlier.

I also won't swear that an E4OD case exists with the SBF pattern; I've heard that one does...but I've not seen it for myself. Normally it's behind a 460, PowerSmoke, V10, or the 5.4 Triton.

Lastly, you may find that the trans tunnel (such as it is, anyway) may need to be enlarged for the E4OD by the firewall. Depends on how far back the six will mount in place. The bellhousing on the E4OD is very large (& was a royal PITA to squeeze in & out of place. I found later that they actually lift the body off to service the late model F150s at Ford dealerships. )

Kinda makes the T98 look not so bad after all.

 

Thanks for that info!

Those are questions that I would have asked at one point or other......I considered an E4OD because I may have a source for one for very cheep (free) It won't be a core but it might as well be since it'll have almost 200,000 miles on it. The owner wants to replace it with a 5 speed. It seems like I have read somewhere that the 300 was offered with an E4OD but I have not verified it. I also thought I read (same place) that the same computer that controls the 4.9 EFI will control the E4OD. The guy with the E4OD was going to give me the controller with the trans also...

I suppose I could just consider a 7.3D also since that is what it's coming from...

For the time being I am going to replace my 239 with a 292 that I have found locally. I'll continue the search for a more modern engine/trans though. I like the 300 and as far as I can tell it did come standard in 70's F-600's so it should perform *OK* This is not going to be a hot rod. I just want it to have adequate power and economy to do heavy hauling once in a while.

I will grab a wrecked Dodge truck (with cummins/auto) if and when one pops up though...I see them now and then.

 

I can tell you now that they do exsist for the SBF pattern. What you have behind the newer motors is the 4R100 a revision of the E4OD. The E4OD was used from '89 to '96 roughly. They were offered in the F150-F450 behind the 300, 302 (with towing package), 351w, 460, and 7.3 powerstrokes. The post '95 ones are the strongest, but a '92 or up will work fine. You'll need a TCI or Baumann controller though if you want to keep your 300 carbed.