Puting asise the long lasting conventional vs synth vs blend comp.... how many people have used super tech products and how many people would recomend them to someone with 5.4 with 100k?

 

jschira, your phone is ringing!

Seriously, the Walmart brand of oils has seen many different suppliers and it obviously is a price sensitive product meaning it should meet grade but don't expect much else. There are many folks out there using it with good success. The key to using it is more frequent oil change intervals. I certainly wouldn't put it in my sisters Jeep and let her drive off as it may be months before I see her again. She's not noted for staying home long so the miles stack pretty quick. If you are fairly good at your auto maintenance and change oil when it comes time, if you are an average driver, if you drive in an average environment, it most likely will serve you well. I wouldn't run it much past 3500 miles, though.

As an explanation to the jschira comment. He is better known as the King of Cheap. When he chimes in he probably will tell you to find what you can on sale and buy a bunch. I don't think he has had any oil related failures and gets LOTs of miles out of his engines. He is the poster boy for anti-synthetic oil campaigns. Man, I love that guy!

 

I ran this stuff from day one in my 98 tacoma i went the full 7500 oci and went with chevron supreme at 110,000 miles because supertech is not worth the 1.79 a quart they charge. Chevron is 1.49. I still use the Super tech filters. The truck now has 170,000 miles. when i pulled the valve cover it was very clean and looked fine.

 

is motorcraft synth blend any better then uper tech?

 

I like the Motor Craft 5w20, seems reasonably priced and Ford supposidly engineered it for Ford Engines. But where can a ordinary person find the up to date specs on this oil?
The Motorcraft web site is still on 153H spec and does not give viscosity, HTHS or any other info.
Is any info available on the Supertech? or has Wally world have that locked up?

 

Ive been using motorcraft and mobile 1... i sometimes add lucas pure synth treatment as well.. ive seen that stuff work wonders.. mobil 1 and most pure synth just get too expensive when you change your oil once a month like i do, driving almost 800 miles a week gives my odometer a workout! do you think ford recomends mc just to sell their own oil or d you think they realy think its the best for their engines?

 

Well they have to honor a warranty period using Motorcraft, so why would they expose their profitable warranry cash cow program, to excessive payout from inferior lubricants????

Are their better products on the market, IMO yes, but Ford has "formulation control" over the Motorcraft brand, so they know what goes into it, so the Engineers & warranty gurus & can have a warm fuzzy feeling about it being just good enough, to cause their engines to last long enough, to get most of them through the extended warranty period.

Otherwise it would go bust & as cash hungry as they are for bucks, they're not about to let that cash cow go dry, because of inferior oil formulating, no sir they want to milk that cow for all it'll give imo!!!!

So the fewer warranty claims they have, the more cash bucks in their pocket & we put it there every time we buy a new vehicle, as that cost of warranty is part of the new vehicles purchase price. If we have zero claims on our new vehicle, they get to keep all of that warranty set aside.

So imo they have no incentive to produce a inferior product, nor the very best either.

Can it be better, yes, but again it's a business proposition, what do they gain by making it the very best on the market. or just some better & more costly, than it needs to be, no money anywhere in it for them to make it better than it has to be imo.
I'll bet they have a wearhouse full of UOA data that tells them exactaly what they need in that formulation!!!!

 

pawpaw,

At the same price point ($2-2.50/qt.), which oil(s) do you think are better than Motorcraft? I'm curious because I have seen many spectacular UOA's on Motorcraft.

 

wayne i would have to go with the chevron 5w20 all single digit wear metals in a 5k oci the MC also does a very good job in a 5k oci but the chevron was 2 PPM less in FE and AL. I had 5 PPM of iron in a 5k oci very pleased with that.

 

Well for the severe service on my pushrod 4.0L Ranger, I chose Havoline, as it bettered Motorcraft in several areas relating to heat stability, that I felt were important.

Things like flash point, volitility, ht/st, come to mind, there may have been some other parameters that I've forgotten.

Any way, take the time to look up all the parameters that you feel are important to your service applcation, on all the lubricants your considering, then choose the one with the numbers that give you the best margin for safety in those areas.

For my high temperature service, Havoline was a good bang for my lube buck imo.

 

We are talking differences in a couple parts per million folks. How much error is the lab allowed? Did one oil filter trap more than the filter on the other car?

Insignifigant in my opion, I can't argue with the price of the Chevron though if you have it available to you. I have only one store that sells it, so I tend to use an oil available in more locations.

I would like to know how the current MC specs compare to the Chevron/HAvoline.

 

these are all from my personal UOA's which is a collection of over 150 so its not insignificant it helps me determine OCI and wear rates.

 

99F150, the specs for Motorcraft can be found here: http://www.motorcraft.com/products.do?item=15

Havoline: https://www.cbest.chevron.com/generated/MSDS/PDS7655527.PDF

 

Thanks for the links but I have seen them and they are both out dated information. Data is prior to GF4/SM

 

All I know is I used to be able to get a Wal-Mart oil change with Super Tech bulk oil and it was $11.88 plus tax and oil disposal fee. Now it costs $16.44 for their cheapest oil change and they use 30% recycled oil mixed in with the Super Tech. Which essentially means I get partially used oil. Have to spend $19 to get only new oil.

I have pretty much given up on that since the local Goodyear/Gemini does an LOF for $14.95 plus yax and disposal. And once I move from an apartment into a house later this summer I'll be doing them myself.