I will do, but does anyone know if there is a way to undo a flash, to get the computer to go back to the first tune it had.
i gota think that unless there replacing a chip, and are only reprogramming it that you should beable to get it to return to the last tune it had,
???
as far as the boost goes i dont know what it is now but will check, i do know that with the toe or extreme tune from edge i am pushing 36 lbs boost
will check stock next time i drive it

 

I'll be looking forward to your results. Beleive me, if there is a way to put the old flash back in, I would do it!

 

While reflashes may have reduced power, I honestly do not believe Ford had a devious plan to reduce the power to increase the longevity.
And, without trying to be offensive, I do believe that accusing them of doing so is clasping at straws.

 

I would guess that a class action against Ford for this reason would be tough to win and expensive. The only thing I think that would come out of it would be bitch slap to Ford to make dam shure that they get it right the next time. My truck is an 04 which I just love to drive because of the power. I have about 10K miles on it since the recall and reflash. I have dropped 2 mpg and lost some low end towing power and gained turbo lag. I have decided that it pulls my 8500 LB trailer better (over 60), judging from some of the hills around here. The truck is a lot noisier and smellier than it was but it is a diesel and I guess if I wanted quiet and clean I would have bought gas. I will be looking at the new engine very closly and may wait a year before buying one just in case Ford did not get it right the first time, again. I left my dealer with monkey butt a few times over this truck, explaining to them not all that calmly I might add, that I had bought the most expensive thing on the lot. Some of this must have filtered into Ford.

 

were not aloud to talk about class action against ford on this site., and I am not telling anyone to try too. but it would not be costly to us , That is why it is class action, the lawyer goes after said company, and if they win they get a big chuck of the money, if not they don't. and for that reason they just don't go after anyone about anything. you have to have a lot of DATA to support you claim and have a lot of people how have been effected.

anyway talk about this later some were else. I am just trying to see if they are dropping power on us and keeping it to a secret . Like I said before I am not happy about it, but if the truck makes 500k (I know) miles instead of 150k because it has been detuned then I guess it is worth it. But I am not happy about losing power to make this happen. talk at you later today when I have more data, and I will ask my ford dealer if this has been the case , not that they will tell me but you never know

 

Hi all,

My guess is that "Without" independent dyno results from a very,very large number of trucks, or some 'found' internal Ford memo detailing a 'de-tuning' strategy as discussed here, you will not find any attorneys willing to take on FOMOCO. I have done investigations for many civil attorneys who specialize in C/A lawsuits, and it is difficult at best, even against smaller companies.

I feel that if Ford decided to slightly de-tune this motor to help avoid damage in the long run, all they needed to do is just explain the facts to all affected owners in detail. Most owners would probably be happy with the end result. Perhaps Ford could offer affected owners some equipment upgrade or ???? as a balance out. What causes these things to become lawsuits is corporate deception.

Personally, my '04 is running very good since the 05E15 reflash. It may have lost a slight bit of top end power, but I can't feel it when driving. I don't know for sure because I have no dyno test to compare it against, and no accurate boost guage to even read out the top boost. I am a lucky one so far, who has had no engine problems, and who missed the bad tranny recall on the 04-05 units.

I wish you all good luck with your trucks, and hopefully Ford will say something out loud.....


Take care,

JJ

 

I think this de-tuning "conspiracy" is a bunch of bunk. Just imagine the fallout if it were true and GM and Dodge (and perhaps Nissan) found out about it! Their marketing departments would have a field day and Ford would never hear the end of it. It would be a pretty big gamble for a company on the potential brink of collapse.

Mike

 

I'm not stating that this is any kind of conspiracy or that Ford IS detuning. I'm just stating what I noticed before/after this new flash. But I agree, I really don't think Ford would "detune" to solve problems, but if they have to, then they should really be honest about it. They should really tell more detail of what the intended flash is supposed to do, instead of saying "updating software". Common now.

 

There is only one way to restore your old flash.

Buy a new ECM and install it in your truck. Keep your "old" ECM in a safe place.

Have your "new" ECM flashed to your hearts content. If you don't like the updated flash, simply re-install your "old" ECM and use the "new" one for a paper weight.

 

I just dropped off my 03 PSD today. have not gotten it back yet but this is what happened . the service guy said he has not heard anything about detuning the engine to make it last,(as he had a smirk on his face)but I told him about the guy on here that's said they had loss of power, etc after reflash and that they had 29#'s of boost before and can now only get 24#, he said 29 was out of spec and that 24 was in spec, and if it was pushing 29# and they new about it they would adjust it down.(did not know they could do this, I thought they could only load flash and not custom it) anyway I checked my boost on the way in, and my edge unit was hooked up just for data stream only to record this.
I was getting 29# on WOT and it would spike up to 33#'s at first.
I will see what it does on the way home. also was told that if you need a reflash and you truck has over 36k on it that its not free and there is a charge for it, the mechanic told me that he would not charge for this, just that there told too.
they did not seem to have a problem with me having a EGT gauge behind turbo, just told me to add 400deg to that # because it was behind turbo.
all and all there were nice and the mechanic seem willing to tell me more than the service writer would.
like I said I will tell you what my max boost is on the way home today.when I get it back.on and as far as the people say ford would not take a gamble on retune,, give me a break all big company do is look out for the bottom line $$$ and if its cheaper to do this reflash than it is to do a head gasket job they will, remember the cigarette companies.... I also just received a software package from HP computer do to a Class action, my computer was sold as have 15 gig hard drive, but it was cheaper to load win xp on the drive than give you the CD's so I really only had 13 gig, will someone sued them and won on that, and then sent every one with the effected pc's the cds so that is not much of a case and that person won.
I work for a big company and I see this kinda stuff happen when it comes to saving money or doing the right thing.
that is all I can say one that.
P.S. I found out that my transmission is not under warranty. that only the engine has the 5 year or 100k on it, not drive tran.
man I cant believe that !

 

Thats funny, they can adjust the boost down?? Ha, I wonder how many people go to Ford and say, "Man, my truck has a little too much power for me, ya mind knocking 50 or so horsepower away." So what is "spec" boost for a stock 05 6.0?? Now I am curious.

 

they did not say what years, but said stock boost should be 24# max

and 29 was too high.
i failed to tell them i was seeing 29-33 lbs boost.
like i said i did not know whey could ajust it down unless its is part of a flash upgrade ford has put out.
maybe some ford techs out there could help us out here. ?
thanks

 

how dose this reflash work with aftermarket products?

 

Had my 2005 F350 reflashed with the #05B35 recall about 800 miles ago. So far, I can tell that the idle is quieter, the engine seems to run smoother, and mileage seems to be up 1 to 2 mpgs. I cannot tell any drop in performance. Overall, I am very pleased with this reflash.

My biggest suprise is in the engine smoothness at 45 to 70 mph. It just seems to run better with less effort. Not sure why, but would encourage others to get the flash.

 

Good to see these postive results to the latest reflash. I have the latest and mine runs great. I'm not trying to race it though. I don't even have a tuner. Not ruling out never having one, though. Mainly interested in claims of improved economy.

I understand the early flashes were trouble prone, but hard to believe they aren't finally getting it right.