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Vp Cheney
Ok Ive been shooting and hunting my whole life....and am a saftey freak when it comes to guns. Some of yall may think this is cruel but i couldnt help to laugh when i heard about the VP shooting his friend while hunting. Some people are plain stupid (the friend) to walk in front of the shooter especially when bird hunting. Just wanted to see what yall think about it cuz i cant stop laffin when i see it on the news.
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Sad situation.
IMNSHO, both were at fault.
I used to teach/coach Marksmanship, Firearms Handling & Training and Hunter Safety, and, I have been a hunter for many, many years.
First, there should have been communication between (among) all of the hunters. Quail hunting, traditionally, has been a 'social hunting' event.
Talk, open discussion, and having a good time. When this happens, everyone knows where everyone else is.
Mr. Whittington should have been cognizant of where he was and Mr. Cheney should have been cognizant of where his shot charge is/was going.
Ultimately, Mr. Cheney should have had both eyes open and know what his 'safety zone' is, and where/what is backstop is/was. Mr. Whittington should have had his eyes on the other hunters and expect the unexpected.
I have heard that Mr. Whittington was NOT an experienced hunter. (This I have no proof of, but, it has been reported on one newscast.) IF this is so, he should have either NOT been in the field, or, should have been coached on what he should/should not do, in the field.
It was an unfortunate accident. On the upside, Mr. Whittington is going to make it, from what I hear.
That is my 2¢ worth.
IMNSHO, both were at fault.
I used to teach/coach Marksmanship, Firearms Handling & Training and Hunter Safety, and, I have been a hunter for many, many years.
First, there should have been communication between (among) all of the hunters. Quail hunting, traditionally, has been a 'social hunting' event.
Talk, open discussion, and having a good time. When this happens, everyone knows where everyone else is.
Mr. Whittington should have been cognizant of where he was and Mr. Cheney should have been cognizant of where his shot charge is/was going.
Ultimately, Mr. Cheney should have had both eyes open and know what his 'safety zone' is, and where/what is backstop is/was. Mr. Whittington should have had his eyes on the other hunters and expect the unexpected.
I have heard that Mr. Whittington was NOT an experienced hunter. (This I have no proof of, but, it has been reported on one newscast.) IF this is so, he should have either NOT been in the field, or, should have been coached on what he should/should not do, in the field.
It was an unfortunate accident. On the upside, Mr. Whittington is going to make it, from what I hear.
That is my 2¢ worth.
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"Cheney's got a gun..."
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(think Aerosmith. You know it's coming, It's just a matter of time...)
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Well, Mr. Whittington IS a lawyer. Maybe the Vice-President just couldn't help himself...
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The lawyer walked up behind him, Cheney followed a bird, and whirrled around, and shot.
Cheney should have looked before he shot, and The lawyer should have announced himself.
The VP had a in state hunting license, and since he hasn't lived there in a while, he was breaking the law. Hes facing some big fines. Maybe he'll get a pardon.
Cheney should have looked before he shot, and The lawyer should have announced himself.
The VP had a in state hunting license, and since he hasn't lived there in a while, he was breaking the law. Hes facing some big fines. Maybe he'll get a pardon.
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Cheney had a valid license, he didn't, however, have a $7 stamp for quail, and he received a written warning from the game warden and has already sent in his $7. He's not facing big fines... let's not blow this out of proportion.
Source: KRIS TV, Corpus Christi, TX
Unfortunate accidents happen even with experienced hunters. I can't find much humor in it.
Game warden Bill McClendon said the stamp only became a requirement last September and the vice president is far from the only person to get off with just a warning.
"No, this is not in any way, shape, or form special treatment. This is just something that normally calls for a warning citation to be issued," said TXPW Game Warden Bill McClendon.
"No, this is not in any way, shape, or form special treatment. This is just something that normally calls for a warning citation to be issued," said TXPW Game Warden Bill McClendon.
Unfortunate accidents happen even with experienced hunters. I can't find much humor in it.
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again a couple of facts are wrong(snake1979) but i won't bother correcting 'em. i will say i hope the next time he has a shot gun in his hand, he's the the Whitehouse press room with a full house of reporters!!
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Originally Posted by webmaster
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Unfortunate accidents happen even with experienced hunters. I can't find much humor in it.
Unfortunate accidents happen even with experienced hunters. I can't find much humor in it.
Ring Ring,
"hello?"
"Hi Jay, this is Dick Cheney, say I caught your monologue last night. That was funny."
"Thankyou Mr Vice President, I appreciate that."
"Hey Jay, Do you want to go hunting?......"
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Haven't hunted in a while, but when I did announcing yourself might have actually got you shot in some circumstances. 
But seriously, making sure people with guns know wherer you are is kind of like looking both ways before stepping into a crosswalk - you shoudln't have to do either to avoid getting hit/shot, but it's a pretty good idea just the same.
I understand Cheney had a valid license, but not the $7 stamp required to hunt "upland lawyers"...
But seriously, making sure people with guns know wherer you are is kind of like looking both ways before stepping into a crosswalk - you shoudln't have to do either to avoid getting hit/shot, but it's a pretty good idea just the same.
I understand Cheney had a valid license, but not the $7 stamp required to hunt "upland lawyers"...
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The report here is he has a current hunting license for the State of Texas. The license does not have an upland bird endorsement.
This is not typically an arrestable crime. A ticket is written much like for speeding. The BIG fine will likely be no more than a couple of hundred dollars.
Yes, it was certainly an avoidable accident. Yes, both hunters are responsible. However, the ultimate responsibility of safety always befalls the shooter...IMO.
When leading a bird it is not unusual to follow it around. Since none of us know the circumstance of the hunt or the flight of the bird it would be difficult for us to know how it happen. To speculate would be a shot in the dark...so to speak.
When dove / quail hunting I have had some one walk into my shot path on more than one occasion...it happens. Thank goodness on each occasion I saw the intrusion an pulled up.
I know how bad & mad I felt and not even taking the shot. I can only imagine the guilt and remorse and avid, accomplished hunter like Dick Cheney must feel. To compound the emotion.... Mr. Whittington is said to be a very close friend.
I wish them both well.
This is not typically an arrestable crime. A ticket is written much like for speeding. The BIG fine will likely be no more than a couple of hundred dollars.
Yes, it was certainly an avoidable accident. Yes, both hunters are responsible. However, the ultimate responsibility of safety always befalls the shooter...IMO.
When leading a bird it is not unusual to follow it around. Since none of us know the circumstance of the hunt or the flight of the bird it would be difficult for us to know how it happen. To speculate would be a shot in the dark...so to speak.
When dove / quail hunting I have had some one walk into my shot path on more than one occasion...it happens. Thank goodness on each occasion I saw the intrusion an pulled up.
I know how bad & mad I felt and not even taking the shot. I can only imagine the guilt and remorse and avid, accomplished hunter like Dick Cheney must feel. To compound the emotion.... Mr. Whittington is said to be a very close friend.
I wish them both well.