My father-in-law used to work for the state police as a mechanic and a guy came in with something called MOA. He said the guy had a motor on a trailer and brought everyone out and started it up, let it run for a minute or 2 and stopped it. He put a can of the MOA in it and started it up. He let it run for a while and stopped it again. He then drained the oil and dropped the pan and started it up. He let it run for a good while and my Ffather-in-law, who is not easily impressed was impressed. The guy then drained the radiator and started the engine and let it run with no oil or coolant. It ran very well according to pop. The state started using it in the police cars, as the police were famous for not checking the oil and other fluids. He said this stuff saved many an engine. He said the cops would come in and say "This thing is really knocking loud". He would say how long has it been doing this. they would tell him a day or so. He would check the oil and some of them took 4 qts. or 2 gallons of coolant. Bottom line is this stuff is an additive like Slick 50, and it works great. This from a guy who was not impressed by "snakeoil". Use your own judgement and ask around. See what others say is the best.

 

Many people have been sold on snake oils such as these. They're great! (for the people who sell them....after all those are the people who recommend them!)

If you want to know more about oil go here: http://www.lubrizol.com/LubeTheory/default.asp


Just change your oil and filter every 5 or 6 thousand miles. (or every year which ever is sooner)

You won't go wrong.


Cheers,


Rick

 

Ahhh- yea thanks Rick. Roy

 

When a car comes rolling in and needs 4 qts of oil and only holds 5 quarts, without the use of the MOA, the engine would not "bounce right back and go back into service. An engine rebuild would be needed or a replacement would be needed. With the MOA in the engine at an oil change, they would add 4 qts of oil and send it back out into service with little or no problems. This stuff worked. I would assume it is very similar to the Lucas or Slick 50. I know some guys that run in demo derbys, where radiators are known to go empty. These guys swear by the Lucas additive. Just differing opinions and facts I guess.

 

Several years ago Briggs & Stratton was considering putting Slick 50 in their engines at manufacture as they rolled down the line. They took 2 complete engines off the line and put slick 50 in 1 in the suggested amount and regular oil in the other engine.

THey then ran the engines for 20 hours to "break them in" and shut them down and drained the oil. THey then ran them without oil for another 20 hours (See http://www.thegsresources.com/garage/gs_additive.htm )

both engines ran the 20 hours. The one with $lick 50 had more damage. I guess they subsequently decided NOT to put it in at the factory. Never mind the fact that Dupont sued Slick 50 to keep their name off the container!

I'll stick with the facts that I know. If multi million dollar Chemical engr depts don't do it in their finished product (oil), I'm not going to do it based on opinions and testamonials. If an engine has severe bearing damage or cylinder scoring from loss of lubrication no liquid will repair the damage.

I know there are people who SWEAR that it helped them but of course where's the proof? Did they take identical engines with identical damage and do a complete teardown afterward to inspect? (and did they do it more than once or twice for verification? using the "Snakeoil" and not?)

Running an engine down to 1 qt of oil and filling it back up with snake oil and claiming no damage is not a real test. Most engines will maintain oil pressure on 1 qt of oil....(oil temps will climb though) but it probably won't lose oil pressure (it may fluctuate though). Aircraft engines are certified to maintain oil pressure down to a fraction of full for example.

There's a reason that GM, FORD, Chrysler (to name a few) usually recommend in their owners manuals that the owner NOT use (after market) oil additives....and it's not because they want the thing to wear out faster.





Cheers,



Rick

 

Roy: If your engine is in real good shape you certainly could consider going with a Synthetic Oil - Mobil 1, Royal Purple or ..... They hold their viscosity extremely well and could likely provide what you are looking for with the Slick 50 additive - smoother running.

Food for thought

Russ

 

I agree with Russ, I really wish I could use Mobil 1 in my 51 226 I tried but it just leaks past the pan seals and makes a mess. I just have much better luck with conventional oil with Lucas added. And besides with the limited filtering in my Flathead having to change synthetic often would tend to get rather expensive.

 

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Yeh I have been a consistant user of Mobil One for many years and considered using it in my 57, but I heard that you were not supposed to use in an older vehicle. Then I thought about the additive idea. Guys I got to tell you I just put in half the amount they recommend and I think I can tell the difference already. I did settle on Lucus. Sure does make you gring when you pour that stuff in huh. I dont know, call me what you will , but if I have had the luck I have gotten from the synthetics why doesnt the additive do the same thing ? Well, none of us has all the answers. We just reliey on each other for advise dont we. You all have a good one. Roy.

 

Well. depending on the type of oil, I think I would stick with every 3000 miles...that is, if you want your engine to last a long time.

 

There have been lawsuits and US Court decisions against Slick 50 and similar "snake Oils".

Dupont, the maker of teflon tried a few years back to tell everyone that Teflon does not belong in engines, I would take that as an authoritive opinion.

Briggs and Stratton did a test about 10 years ago where they took a bunch, something like 100 or 200 engines on the line, and added Slick 50 to half and just oil to the other half. They drained the oil and ran the engines, just like the advertisements used to do. All the SLick 50 engines siezed much sooner than the engines run on plain oil. Hmmm.

Anyway, engine oil is extremly good stuff now a days and I bet all the reputable brands, and all the auto makers recommend against additives. Of course the argument could be made that The big companies are trying to hold the little guy back, but I think a multi million dollar company has a lot more riding on the quality of their product than a bit player making additives.

The major players have serious independent lab tests showing the performance of their oils. Most if not all the additive companies pretty much rely on anecdotal(word of mouth) evidence to promote their products.

Interstingly, Now Quaker State/Pennzoil now own Slick 50 and even pacakage it with their oils.

I am still of the opinion that additives are generally bandaids meant to help a sick engine get by for a little while longer.

I used Slick50 for many years in several cars. I keep good mileage log books and NEVER did I see any improvement after adding Slick 50, or any of the additives I played with. Never saw any harm, but then never saw any good and read enough about the bad, so I don't use them anymore.

Just my opinion,

Jim Henderson

 

I thinking about what I said earlier, I may well have added Tribotech instead of Slick 50. I sort of remember Tribotech as being the hot new thing that year, and it was touted heavily on the local radio.

I think it is sort of like medication - if you don't need a medicine, and take it anyway, it does you no good. If, on the other hand, you need the medicine and take it, it helps.

Those with good engines where the oil was changed every 3,000 miles and the engine was never abused will think additives are unnecessary. Those of us that have engines where the history is unknown, or that have been subject to hard use may well have different experiences.

I know I bought a high-mileage van for my business with a very loose engine. Adding whatever it was that I added made a major difference. We had to re-adjust the idle, saw an improvement in the oil pressure, and it stopped burning oil.

We beat on that van for another 75K miles and it never used more than 1 quart of oil between 6,000 mile oil changes. I scrapped it when the transmission failed.

While I will not recommend adding an additive to anyone, if I get a warn, loose engine again that I do not want to rebuild, I will not hesitate to dump some in.

 

I'm going to continue using Lucus - will post any bad results that I have. Thanks all. Roy.