Towing Limit Question
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Originally Posted by Toyman
If you can predict what the wind and weather is going to for me when I go on vacation this year it would help out quite a bit, for figuring fuel economy.
Come on Snoman, if you can tell what the wind is going to do before you travel you need to tell the weather people because they can't get it right.
I respect and agree with alot of your posts but this is kind of rediculous, all the man wanted was a number on what the truck will do. He can figure it out from there if he is overweight or not. Or whether he has a flat bed or fifthwheel.
Toyman
Come on Snoman, if you can tell what the wind is going to do before you travel you need to tell the weather people because they can't get it right.
I respect and agree with alot of your posts but this is kind of rediculous, all the man wanted was a number on what the truck will do. He can figure it out from there if he is overweight or not. Or whether he has a flat bed or fifthwheel.
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Snoman, now you're contridiciting yourself. If a truck can tow more with it not windy than when it is, has nothing to do with the rating for the truck (original question). You just stated that if the set up is marginal for poor conditions, the set up is poor. Having someone tow ANYTHING that is way over there rated limits is "marginal". So your original reply about a flat bed or fifth wheel means nothing. 12k is still 12k. If your truck isn't rated for it, you shouldn't do it (at least not ALL the time).
If you want to question what I tow, Snoman, here it is. I tow a 30' toyhauler with my Harley's in it. The trailer weighs about 7000#empty when loaded it weighs close to (if not over) 10,000#. MY truck is rated to tow 12,800#, I don't have a problem going anywhere. If you are running over loaded (all the time) I don't think I want to travel on the same roads that you do, so let me know when and where you are going on vacation so i can avoid those areas.
I still think that this thread has lost it's context, PureGrunt just wanted to know what his truck was rated to tow and I told him.
If you want to question what I tow, Snoman, here it is. I tow a 30' toyhauler with my Harley's in it. The trailer weighs about 7000#empty when loaded it weighs close to (if not over) 10,000#. MY truck is rated to tow 12,800#, I don't have a problem going anywhere. If you are running over loaded (all the time) I don't think I want to travel on the same roads that you do, so let me know when and where you are going on vacation so i can avoid those areas.
I still think that this thread has lost it's context, PureGrunt just wanted to know what his truck was rated to tow and I told him.
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Included in the charts for GCWR is the statement "Frontal Area not to Exceed 60 Square Feet". It's the same for my 1990 F-350 as it is for my 2003 F-350 so it definately has a bearing on towing as much as the weight and must be factored into any trailer type descisions.
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Originally Posted by Toyman
Snoman, now you're contridiciting yourself. If a truck can tow more with it not windy than when it is, has nothing to do with the rating for the truck (original question). You just stated that if the set up is marginal for poor conditions, the set up is poor. Having someone tow ANYTHING that is way over there rated limits is "marginal". So your original reply about a flat bed or fifth wheel means nothing. 12k is still 12k. If your truck isn't rated for it, you shouldn't do it (at least not ALL the time).
If you want to question what I tow, Snoman, here it is. I tow a 30' toyhauler with my Harley's in it. The trailer weighs about 7000#empty when loaded it weighs close to (if not over) 10,000#. MY truck is rated to tow 12,800#, I don't have a problem going anywhere. If you are running over loaded (all the time) I don't think I want to travel on the same roads that you do, so let me know when and where you are going on vacation so i can avoid those areas.
I still think that this thread has lost it's context, PureGrunt just wanted to know what his truck was rated to tow and I told him.
If you want to question what I tow, Snoman, here it is. I tow a 30' toyhauler with my Harley's in it. The trailer weighs about 7000#empty when loaded it weighs close to (if not over) 10,000#. MY truck is rated to tow 12,800#, I don't have a problem going anywhere. If you are running over loaded (all the time) I don't think I want to travel on the same roads that you do, so let me know when and where you are going on vacation so i can avoid those areas.
I still think that this thread has lost it's context, PureGrunt just wanted to know what his truck was rated to tow and I told him.
Also you told him what you thought and your logic was not sound nor will it pay his repair bill either.
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Thanks for the info everyone. I guess I should have elaborated a little more. I wanted to know that max rated towing capavity for LEGAL and INSURANCE puposes. As most people are aware, if something goes wrong and I need to claim on my insurance (and I really hope none of us on here ever do) I need to be sure that I am not towing something that is "technically and legally" too heavy.
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Toyman just give it up the Snowan just likes to argue 
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Puregrunt if 12K is is what its rated at thats what its rated at. The GCVW is just a factory recommendation mostly for warranty purposes. Your true legal weights are the GVW of your truck and of your trailer. As far as wind goes if its to windy just get off the road if you have a high profile trailer and the worst wind to pull into is a corner wind not a head wind.
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.Puregrunt if 12K is is what its rated at thats what its rated at. The GCVW is just a factory recommendation mostly for warranty purposes. Your true legal weights are the GVW of your truck and of your trailer. As far as wind goes if its to windy just get off the road if you have a high profile trailer and the worst wind to pull into is a corner wind not a head wind.
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Originally Posted by rvpuller
.......and the worst wind to pull into is a corner wind not a head wind.
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Originally Posted by PureGrunt
Thanks for the info everyone. I guess I should have elaborated a little more. I wanted to know that max rated towing capavity for LEGAL and INSURANCE puposes. As most people are aware, if something goes wrong and I need to claim on my insurance (and I really hope none of us on here ever do) I need to be sure that I am not towing something that is "technically and legally" too heavy.
This is the information that I gave you, according to the towing guide.
Happy towing PureGrunt.
rvpuller- I am aware from his previous posts that Snowman likes to argue, I was just trying to keep the focus on the original question. It's amazing that it can get out of hand like this.
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Originally Posted by The SnoMan
No counterdiction here. I siad you can get by under idea condition with less TV but that is not how I rate them or offer advise.
"how I rate them"? do you work with the factory on setting up the guidelines for towing?
Also you told him what you thought and your logic was not sound nor will it pay his repair bill either.
"how I rate them"? do you work with the factory on setting up the guidelines for towing?
Also you told him what you thought and your logic was not sound nor will it pay his repair bill either.
Ok I'm done ranting on this subject. Sorry if I offended anyone.
respectfully....Toyman
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Toyman, you did fine and kept it on track. But it is like trying to talk logic to a bulldog, it's not going to get inside his little head. Aside from being too stubborn, snoman doesn't want logic to interrupt his always being "right" with his sudo-logic that is not based on actual data, but what he "thinks" 
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Originally Posted by {OF}Smiley
Toyman, you did fine and kept it on track. But it is like trying to talk logic to a bulldog, it's not going to get inside his little head. Aside from being too stubborn, snoman doesn't want logic to interrupt his always being "right" with his sudo-logic that is not based on actual data, but what he "thinks"
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i think the best thing to use when towing a heavy/large/oversize load is common sense. i have moved a 17,000 lb kobelco mini excavator many times with my 88 pickup and 1977 car hauler with no problems. then there was the time i tried to move a 9,000 lb bridgeport milling machine 1 mile down the road to a new machine shop with the same trailer, and could not get the truck out of third gear due to a 30 mph head wind. then there was the time i moved a 94 E350 club wagon 400 miles, and did not even notice it was on the trailer, or the time that i put a lowly 93 pontiac grand am on the same trailer to take to the scrap yard, and the cross winds almost blew me off the road.
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