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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by duc_grrl
Hey sorry to butt in here guys, but as a Canadian, can you explain something to me? Do you not allow "check-stops" in the USA? This is where the cops set up a bunch of cars and officers and stop every single vehicle? Around Christmas they do them for DUI and at other times of the year, they are checking for valid paperwork or sometimes game checks where they also have game wardens present and mostly they stop pickups and/or larger vehicles that have the possibility of concealing game taken without a permit? Theoretically there's no "probable cause" for these types of stops.
Well, we have check points at times during the holidays around where I live. Usually only for DUI checks. But they are usually well advertised on the media so the drunks find a different route. It is more of a prevention effort.
So tell me, how do you feel about Canada's system of checks you described?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by olfordsnstone
So tell me, how do you feel about Canada's system of checks you described?
It's pretty rare to get stopped. In 25 years of driving I've maybe only been stopped a dozen times. Usually they just set up for an hour at a time in one location to minimize the impact of word getting out and the drunks taking a different route. I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other and I suspect most Canadians don't. I don't think we have the same depth of polarized opinion on this side of the border. It's the way they do their job, so we just put up with it.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 10:34 PM
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I also don't think dui checkpoints should be allowed.Let them go out and catch the bad guys.
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IMO, these ARE the bad guys.


AFAIC, Get them all off the road !

Please explain this thinking.... to people who have lost loved ones to drunk drivers
 
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 10:36 PM
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Many of you are forgetting one huge piece of the puzzle.

As an LEO, I have an obligation to enforce the law (whether I particularly agree with it or not). In the case of a violation (not a Misdemeanor or Felony), I do have some discretion as to whether to issue a Warning, or cite for the violation.

I'm not going to be drawn into a debate on how many cops are good, bad, or any of that.

If a person is given a ticket, they either have the option of paying it, or they take it to COURT. The Judge makes the determination as to whether the law was violated or not. The Officer attests to the fact that "More Likely Then Not" - in other words, (Probable Cause) the individual committed the violation, or broke the law.

The Court decides.

All these rants on "I was traveling 45 in a 40 zone and that cop had the nerve to stop me", is tiresome. Frankly, I'm beginning to think that some folks are just looking for an excuse to wear a tin foil hat.

A license is not a right. It's a privilege the state extends to those who operate within certain parameters. The state has an obligation and a responsibility to remove the license and deny the use of the roads and streets to individuals who fail or refuse to operate within those parameters.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by vman
I don't think you should getpulled over in less you are doing something wrong
Something wrong like speeding?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 11:08 PM
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police enforce the laws, not make them!!! i picked my friends little brother up from a party once at a hotel, i was outside waiting for him when bam!! police show up, and they cite me for underage drinking!! so i went to court, explained to the judge and he let me off.

i was always "anti-cop" until i did a few years of military police duty, now i understand mostly and now greatly appreciate what police go through, its really hard to tell whats going on in the police mind until you actually been in the mindset they have. i am not at all for police harrassment, but everyone must look at both sides of the picture, we would be praising the cop who pulled over a car with his license plate a little covered and had that wanted felon in it. and we will be cursing the cop that pulled us over for the same reason, thats life!!!
 
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 08:35 AM
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There are cops of every temperment, some times they make me mad and I think they went too far, other times I think they didn't go far enough and other times they were right on. Thank you guys for the job you do. I couldn't tolerate some of what they have to. I would not want their job. I have been stopped for a lot of different reasons, including check points. There were 2 times that were not right, once in Ohio for speeding and I was not, and had a local HP who had a personal issue with me he tried to take care of by stopping me everytime he saw me. I paid the ticket in Ohio it was the cheapest and the easiest, took care of the other through talking to his superiors and other law enforcement officers I knew. Just my opinion.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 08:48 AM
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The CDC defines a heavy drinker as someone who consumes more than 2 drinks per day and a binge drinker as someone who consumes more than 5 drinks in a sitting. They also consider the use of alcohol in hazardous situations (and they specifically mention driving a car) as a sign of alcohol abuse. Furthermore, they state, and many studies confirm, that even one drink impairs driver reaction time significantly.

Claiming to be able to drive just fine after 6 beers isn't a bragging right, its good a sign that either a person drinks too much and has a high tolerance level as a result, or they're in denial about their impairment with that much alcohol in the blood.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 10:50 AM
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Oh, it's really easy to drink a 6-pack and still be able to drive. Here's how you do it. Drink a beer, finish it, wait 90 minutes. . . Drink another beer, wait 90 minutes. . . Drink the 3rd beer, wait 90 minutes. . . Drink the 4th beer, wait 90 minutes. . . Drink the 5th beer, wait 90 minutes. . . Drink the 6th beer, wait 90 minutes. . . Go drive. And there you have it. The secret to being able to drink a 6-pack and drive.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 02:33 PM
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Some of what I said was a generalization,not particular to this.If federal law allows speedos to be off by 5mph,LEO ought to take this into consideration when pulling someone over for a few above.Quite frankly I got stopped in some long dui checkpoints when driving truck and being late on delivery,lost my job.Granted that guy wasn't worth working for,but If they want to sit on the side of the road and look for someone driving erratic,that's great.Checkpoints are a nuisance to all the rest of the responsible drivers.I'm sticking to that.Fate is fate,if someone you know gets hit by a drunk driver,don't think checkpoints are the cure all.I've known a few drunks that got really good at avoiding them.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by EnviroCon
Oh, it's really easy to drink a 6-pack and still be able to drive. Here's how you do it. Drink a beer, finish it, wait 90 minutes. . . Drink another beer, wait 90 minutes. . . Drink the 3rd beer, wait 90 minutes. . . Drink the 4th beer, wait 90 minutes. . . Drink the 5th beer, wait 90 minutes. . . Drink the 6th beer, wait 90 minutes. . . Go drive. And there you have it. The secret to being able to drink a 6-pack and drive.
This just ate up 9 hours of my lunch hour. Yep... Makes sense to me
 
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MBBFord
Not trying to start anything, b/c I see your side of it completly, but I know I could go through a 6 pack easilly and be fine to drive, but if I was pulled over, I would be screwed
I wish you are the only one that feels that way. I'm a cop (but don't blame all these problems on me!) Everyone is fine to drive. If you don't beleive me, just ask them ...if you can understand their slurred speech!

People get killed every day because someone in the other car was "fine to drive".
 
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 04:18 PM
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Ken's right - either his tolerance is so high from alcohol abuse or he's not aware of how drunk he is.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 06:09 PM
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45 in a 40 is speeding, reason enough to pull someone over. After pulling the vehicle over from behind the officer notices the decal, there you go. The officer was doing his job.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 09:45 PM
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They cop was a nice guy,didnt hassle me he was just doing his job,i honestly wouldnt care if he pulled me over for my tire being to dark! if hes gotta do that to get 1 drug dealer off the street so be it.
Another Massachusetts Democrat. Sorry, but if yer gonna pull me over, you need a REAL reason to do so. The last time I checked, it wasn't illegal to be on the highways in the middle of the night. From my experience, if the suspect is really drunk or high, it will be obvious that they need to be stopped without having to lie about the reason for the stop.
 
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