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Nothing bolts in with a Y block except other Y blocks. You could be in for a real ordeal. I have a feeling that you will have to change just about everything to get a 302 in there. By the way, they do make 460 conversion engine mounts for the y block. There's nothing like a 460......
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Your swap entails removal of the bell housing cross member and the front engine mount. Then adding in a new weld in or bolt in engine cradle and a new transmission mount. Some revision of the brake lines also is involved.
Will you be reusing the transmission you have?
There are mounts for just about every ford later engine made. Average cost for a engine crade is 100 to 150 washingtons and a trans crossmember runs around 60 to 80 depending on the application.
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Will you be reusing the transmission you have?
There are mounts for just about every ford later engine made. Average cost for a engine crade is 100 to 150 washingtons and a trans crossmember runs around 60 to 80 depending on the application.
Garbz
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Ok so the trans mission choices you may have are
1 Automatic. which will not bolt up to anything but a Y block (dont get rid of it as they are extremly rare in a truck application!)
2 light or medium duty 3 speed
3 Four speed
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the input shafts and bolt pattern on the manuals will not bolt up to later bells or crank pilots. some early pre 65 five and four speeds will, but these are found in F350s and above. the F350 up 65 66 Trucks used a mount system similar to the y block and allow a big block(352, 390 ect) or in line (six 300)to be bolted up in 61 to 64. The bells are extended and typically have the dual pattern.
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1 Automatic. which will not bolt up to anything but a Y block (dont get rid of it as they are extremly rare in a truck application!)
2 light or medium duty 3 speed
3 Four speed
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the input shafts and bolt pattern on the manuals will not bolt up to later bells or crank pilots. some early pre 65 five and four speeds will, but these are found in F350s and above. the F350 up 65 66 Trucks used a mount system similar to the y block and allow a big block(352, 390 ect) or in line (six 300)to be bolted up in 61 to 64. The bells are extended and typically have the dual pattern.
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What tranny is it, and how set are you on the 302?
302s are essentialy a car engine, while the 292 is a truck motor. 302 may be a disapointment if its stock.
have you considered an FE block, or a 383/429/460? A 352 or 360 FE block would be a big improvement. Far more powerfull and far more reliable than a 302 for a truck, and those are the little FE sizes. While the FE block wasn't used in F100s in 64, it was used in other fords from the late fifties through the late Seventies, so it should be possable to get a bell housing that will fit the tranny you have.
The 383 series is newer, but also a good truck motor. On the up side, you can get Fuel injection easy enough for them. the down side is the tranny. it may not fit with what you have, but there are bell housings for some units.
302s are essentialy a car engine, while the 292 is a truck motor. 302 may be a disapointment if its stock.
have you considered an FE block, or a 383/429/460? A 352 or 360 FE block would be a big improvement. Far more powerfull and far more reliable than a 302 for a truck, and those are the little FE sizes. While the FE block wasn't used in F100s in 64, it was used in other fords from the late fifties through the late Seventies, so it should be possable to get a bell housing that will fit the tranny you have.
The 383 series is newer, but also a good truck motor. On the up side, you can get Fuel injection easy enough for them. the down side is the tranny. it may not fit with what you have, but there are bell housings for some units.
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If you have ever had a 292 it is a real dissapointment. They run forever...but the starter in my 460 has more horsepower.
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If you're going to bother with this, you may as well sell your engine and transmission (unless an auto) and go buy what you want. If what you want is a 302 there is nothing wrong with a 302. They make a lot of power when they are warmed up a bit and they are not too bad in stock form. Either way you have much more than the 292. It is also likely that you will get better mileage at the pump. Also, parts are dirt cheap for them and everyone has them IN stock; an added bonus. I personally would rather have more cubic inches in a pickup motor (I like the 460), but in a 2x4 with normal sized tires a 302 could be made to be a real screamer. I have seen (lots at the strip) very streetable 302s with 400 plus horsepower, but they did cost a bit to build that way. My friend built one in his 67 stang with 10.5 pistons, a street strip cam, roller lifters, a high rise intake manifold, headers, aluminum heads, and a 600 cfm carb. I haven't reviewed his receipts, but he said the he built it (not someone else) for about 1800 bucks. I don't think that is too bad when you consider it makes 387 horsepower at the rear wheels and that is before he hits the NO2 button. He maxed out the dyno brake with NO2 at over 510 horsepower. To top it off, he drives this car to work every single day here in Alaska in the summer. Needless to say, it is VERY fun to drive.
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