Pearl Harbor
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The Today show had a segment about 5 sailors from the USS Ward who sank a Japanese minisub right before the attack on Pearl Harbor began. These heros were recently honored for firing the US's first shots in WWII.
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The veterans of that era deserve a great big thank you from all of us. I think we forget to do that. All of the Veterans I know don't toot their horns and ask for any recognition. My Dad was in the Navy during WII, and growing up I never had a clue that he saw any thing other than the waves around him. The most I knew was his ship left Pearl Harbor two days before the attack. A few years ago I read on the internet about the USS Portland, and the battles that ship and my Dad was in. I now how fortunate I am to be one of the “baby boomers”.
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Let's not forget that the japs did not bother to declare war on us before they bombed the living crap out of Pearl Harbor. So they didn't like us screwing around with their supply oil and steel, too bad. I'm glad we nuked them in the end, serves them right for what they did to us.
Ultramagdan, I've been to the memorial at Pearl Harbor myself. While I was there I noticed large crowds of japs being lead around with a translator reading and explaining to them. Funny how they just would NOT walk to the very end of the chronological display of pics, the part showing a little mushroom cloud. I naturally made it a point to tell them "hey, come back and look, you people are missing the very best part"
. Those tourists are rude beyond all belief when on that island.
**If anyone wants to see USS Arizona it can be seen very well using Googleearth.
Ultramagdan, I've been to the memorial at Pearl Harbor myself. While I was there I noticed large crowds of japs being lead around with a translator reading and explaining to them. Funny how they just would NOT walk to the very end of the chronological display of pics, the part showing a little mushroom cloud. I naturally made it a point to tell them "hey, come back and look, you people are missing the very best part"
. Those tourists are rude beyond all belief when on that island.**If anyone wants to see USS Arizona it can be seen very well using Googleearth.
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Although the numbers of Veterans that were there are dwindling, I know that some are still with us. I would like to thank each and every one. I truly wish the media would give our Veterans the respect that they deserve, no matter where or when they served. If it weren't for their sacrifice, we would all be pretty much screwed.
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I read a story a few years ago in some publication I can't remember about an old Japanese guy and his wife asked a sailor who was directing visitor's to the Arizona where the Arizona was. The sailor looked at them and said "right where you left it!"
My grandpa was in the Pacific during WWII at the age of 15. He lied about his age and operated amph-tracs at more than a few of the landings there. To the day he died 3 years ago, he never once forgave the Japanese for the things he saw them do to prisoners and he never wanted anyone to thank him, just to remember that everyone sacrificed to keep this country free, at home and overseas. I want to thank everyone that helped whether it was in a factory or in a foxhole for making it possible for everyone here to live free.
My grandpa was in the Pacific during WWII at the age of 15. He lied about his age and operated amph-tracs at more than a few of the landings there. To the day he died 3 years ago, he never once forgave the Japanese for the things he saw them do to prisoners and he never wanted anyone to thank him, just to remember that everyone sacrificed to keep this country free, at home and overseas. I want to thank everyone that helped whether it was in a factory or in a foxhole for making it possible for everyone here to live free.
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The problem with some of these resposes is that those who did the attack ond the atrocities to the prisoners are not the children of today, and hopefully they were brought up different than that. It is the same mentality that says we are resposible for the atrocities against the native americans or the slaves. We HAVE to try to heal the hurts of the past, or we are stuck living them.
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It was on both local news shows last night and a front page story about the recent id of the body of a local sailor killed in the attack that had remained unidentified to this day.
As Sherman said, war is hell! Very few people seem to be aware that the first attack on and first casualies sufferd by US forces in WWII were from German submarine attacks on US Navy warships in the North Atlantic a month or two **before** Pearl Harbor.....also long before and without any declaration of war...and obviously with no warning to the Destroyers being torpedoed. And don't forget about the concentration camps, to where many more people than just Jews were sent. War is hell, evil is evil adn the Japanese have no corner on that market
As Sherman said, war is hell! Very few people seem to be aware that the first attack on and first casualies sufferd by US forces in WWII were from German submarine attacks on US Navy warships in the North Atlantic a month or two **before** Pearl Harbor.....also long before and without any declaration of war...and obviously with no warning to the Destroyers being torpedoed. And don't forget about the concentration camps, to where many more people than just Jews were sent. War is hell, evil is evil adn the Japanese have no corner on that market
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Originally Posted by fellro86
The problem with some of these resposes is that those who did the attack ond the atrocities to the prisoners are not the children of today, and hopefully they were brought up different than that. It is the same mentality that says we are resposible for the atrocities against the native americans or the slaves. We HAVE to try to heal the hurts of the past, or we are stuck living them.
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To this day they have revenge on us, look how they drive! I know pushing the limits here but I almost wrecked this morning from a vehicle passing me were parked cars belong.
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I'm always amazed by those that insist we apologize for the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but no one asks the Japanese to apologize for Pearl Harbor.
As horendous as those two days in August of 1945 must have been, dropping the atomic bombs on Japan SAVED lives. Far more civilians would have been killed by an Allied invasion (that was planned and in the works) than were killed by those 2 bombs. And, years later, it was discovered Japan had built numerous underground munitions factories in old coal mines, which would have been impervious to bombing. They were also developing advanced weapons that, if the war had continued and they got them into production, would have made an Allied victory highly doubtful. Harry Truman made a very difficult (and ultimately correct) decision to use our atomic power.
As horendous as those two days in August of 1945 must have been, dropping the atomic bombs on Japan SAVED lives. Far more civilians would have been killed by an Allied invasion (that was planned and in the works) than were killed by those 2 bombs. And, years later, it was discovered Japan had built numerous underground munitions factories in old coal mines, which would have been impervious to bombing. They were also developing advanced weapons that, if the war had continued and they got them into production, would have made an Allied victory highly doubtful. Harry Truman made a very difficult (and ultimately correct) decision to use our atomic power.
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Originally Posted by roushracing617
Although the numbers of Veterans that were there are dwindling, I know that some are still with us. I would like to thank each and every one. I truly wish the media would give our Veterans the respect that they deserve, no matter where or when they served. If it weren't for their sacrifice, we would all be pretty much screwed.
My Grandpa is a Pearl Harbour survivor. He was a boiler tender on the USS Nevada. He was trapped in rising waters for over 24 hrs in complete darkness. From what I remember him telling me, he and a couple other guys managed to get the flood doors open and swim up three to four decks to the top deck, all the way breathing in air pockets here and there. An amazing story. He was in the Navy for seven years. He's got lots of stories.
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I was thinking the same thing. All I hear or read about today is John Lennon, yet yesterday I hardly heard anything about Pearl Harbor. Those that were there were remembered in my home yesterday, a HUGE thank you goes out to those Pearl Harbor vets that are still alive and my prayers went to those who are not.
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Is it fair to say that you're going to hear more about John Lennon on the East Coast side of the country than here on the West Coast, because the incident happened there in N.Y.?
And by the same token, maybe we had a little more coverage of the anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor because, even though it happened in Hawaii, the West Coast was a departure point for the military to the Pacific Theater.
Maybe I'm wrong.
And by the same token, maybe we had a little more coverage of the anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor because, even though it happened in Hawaii, the West Coast was a departure point for the military to the Pacific Theater.
Maybe I'm wrong.
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