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JetBlack, Kem is right for two reasons... the one he already mentioned along with the fact that a crossover helps equalize the backpressure in the system when you have two exhaust pipes with slightly different bends and lengths that create different flow and backpressure patterns within the rest of the system, AND you can't run O2 sensors in parallel. They will "confuse" the EEC computer because they would BOTH be sending readings down the same wiring back to the computer. The EEC-IV computers only have a provision for ONE O2 sensor input.
My '92 T-bird with 3.8L six had two O2sensors (one in each exhaust pipe just below the exhaust manifolds), wasn't it EEC-IV?
Yes, but not every EEC-IV setup was the same. The Bronco/F-series had only one sensor. Not to mention that a 3.8 computer will not work in place of a 5.0 or 5.8 computer. The software, and in some cases the physical connections, are completely different. Basically the computers are specific to the vehicle in question for the most part. The computer from an F150 with a 302 and an E4OD will swap into a Bronco with the same setup but the computer from a Mustang with a 302 and a different transmission won't.
4. And last, has anyone tried the Gibson system on their Bronco?
Yes, I ran that system on my '95 Bronco, and generally liked it. But when I cranked up the HP with a new motor, that Gibson sound just was not enough. Cut it off and replaced with a single chamber Flowmaster. Nice now. Moral of story: Gibson = great quality, poor sound. Needs to be louder.
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Actually considering the fact that I have a 4 inch lift with 33x12.50x15s with 3.55 gears (although it's not a big lift/tire combo this is on a stock engine with 314k miles) and an E4OD tranny I get good gas mileage. I get anywhere from 9-13mpg around town and on my normal backroads drive to work (I have a REALLY heavy right foot , but when manage to find a way to keep my foot from finding it's way through the floorboard, I get about 12 to 13) I always turn overdrive off untill I hit a really open stretch of road to keep the tranny from going from gear to gear on these mountain roads. Most of my mileage comes from knowing my Bronco and the roads I'm driving on, I know how to take the hill and such, that saves on a lot of gas as I know when my Bronco likes to downshift. And about 14-16 on the highway when I take it on trips to buy equipment and go to family functions. I do have a custom air box, and a couple other little mods I've done to the engine, but nothing major like a cam, heads, or anything of that nature.
a crossover is a must. it provides increase scavenging of the exhaust gases. it will improve performance.
I agree completely, and to my amazement, the PO of my Bronco didn't include a crossover in his very elaborate full dual exhaust system thereby giving up between 5-10% of his bottom end torque generation.
True duals work best for me on a Bronco, with both going down the passenger side. No bigger then 2 1/4", with an X or H pipe. All mandrel bent of course, with no mufflers. Only cats. Big tips on the exit is only for sound. No performance gains, there. This is the best of both worlds. If you want the most torque at the lowest RPM possible, go with what Kemical says. A well engineered 3" is best for low end torque. This is all true with only a stock engine.
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Yes, I ran that system on my '95 Bronco, and generally liked it. But when I cranked up the HP with a new motor, that Gibson sound just was not enough. Cut it off and replaced with a single chamber Flowmaster. Nice now. Moral of story: Gibson = great quality, poor sound. Needs to be louder.
Do you remember the pipe diameter of the Gibson system? I really like the sound of the one on my '02 ZR2, so I'd consider one if the pipes were 3 inches.
True duals work best for me on a Bronco, with both going down the passenger side. No bigger then 2 1/4", with an X or H pipe. All mandrel bent of course, with no mufflers. Only cats. Big tips on the exit is only for sound. No performance gains, there. This is the best of both worlds. If you want the most torque at the lowest RPM possible, go with what Kemical says. A well engineered 3" is best for low end torque. This is all true with only a stock engine.
The system the PO had custom made for his (now my) Bronco is pretty elaborate, as I've said. It consists of a set of JBA shorty headers which have the O2 sensors mounted, down pipes of at least 2.25 diameter that lead over to the passenger side of the truck, then two cats, staggered to fit them up higher one of which has the third O2 sensor mounted after it, then two Flowmaster mufflers mounted one above the other, welded together at their front and rear seams to avoid resonances and metal to metal vibration induces rattles. then tail pipes that lead to opposite sides of the truck, mostly for appearances sake I'd say. Unfortunately, none is mandrel bent, so the flow is reduced by the typical corner indentation of mechanical tubing benders. He had large tips welded on for appearances as well, but not too large, I haven't measured but I'd guess the slant cut tips to be about 3 inches.
Do you remember the pipe diameter of the Gibson system? I really like the sound of the one on my '02 ZR2, so I'd consider one if the pipes were 3 inches.
the o2 possition is in the right bank pipe not in the y pipe anyways, i dont understand that concept of needing the h or x pipe if its mainly located in the right bank, i like the dual 2" with cats and dynomax with 3" tips i think that there is the wickedest system of all and iff what yall is saying an h pipe in there too, as for looks of it id have all the pipes and stuf chromed
the o2 possition is in the right bank pipe not in the y pipe anyways, i dont understand that concept of needing the h or x pipe if its mainly located in the right bank,
Not true. The O2 sensor is mounted at the convergence of the two arms of the Y-pipe. It HAS to be to get the correct readings for the entire engine. If yours has it in the right side of the Y-pipe then it was replaced and the O2 sensor mounted incorrectly. This is a fact. The ONLY F-series/Bronco that ever had an O2 sensor located up in the arms of the Y-pipe were the OBD-II equipped models that required THREE O2 sensors. Even these trucks had one sensor in each arm and one still down at the convergence of the pipes. This allows the ODB-II mass-air computers to monitor the left anf right banks of cylinders more accurately. The one in the base of the Y-pipe remained to keep an overall reading going back to the computer.