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OBDII Exempt
I’m a Newbee. This is my first post. Please forgive me if I don’t get it in the right forum.
I bought a used 2003 Ford F-250 with a 6.0L diesel engine in 2004. In the spring of 2005 I put in a Banks six-pack kit with exhaust and intercooler on it. I have been extremely pleased with the truck.
I bought an AutoXray 4000 scanner to monitor the DTC codes to see if the banks modifications were causing any problems. The AutoXray shows some general sensors data but no DTCs and the OBDII drive cycle is always incomplete.
After further investigation I found a sticker on the passenger side valve cover that states “Certified for use in new vehicles above 14,000 pounds GVWR. This engine is OBDII exempt.”
I would like to know what is going on in my truck. To do this I need to be able to see the DTCs.
My questions are:
1.) Has anyone seen this before?
2.) Is there a way to hack the OBDII software to make it run?
3.) Must the OBDII drive cycle complete before the DCTs will show?
Any help in understanding this problem would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Mike Fruchtl
I bought a used 2003 Ford F-250 with a 6.0L diesel engine in 2004. In the spring of 2005 I put in a Banks six-pack kit with exhaust and intercooler on it. I have been extremely pleased with the truck.
I bought an AutoXray 4000 scanner to monitor the DTC codes to see if the banks modifications were causing any problems. The AutoXray shows some general sensors data but no DTCs and the OBDII drive cycle is always incomplete.
After further investigation I found a sticker on the passenger side valve cover that states “Certified for use in new vehicles above 14,000 pounds GVWR. This engine is OBDII exempt.”
I would like to know what is going on in my truck. To do this I need to be able to see the DTCs.
My questions are:
1.) Has anyone seen this before?
2.) Is there a way to hack the OBDII software to make it run?
3.) Must the OBDII drive cycle complete before the DCTs will show?
Any help in understanding this problem would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Mike Fruchtl
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For diesels, there are no OBD II monitors to run because well, the most important ones the diesels don't have. Like the 02 sensor monitor, EVAP monitor, 02 heater monitor, etc etc. The ECU on the diesels are designed to set codes when the ECU sees a problem, no OBD II monitors needed. So if you have no DTCs then your ECU is not seeing a problem.
1. Have I seen this before? Yes, I'm a smog technician. Diesels don't need to be smogged therefore no OBD II monitors are mandated. Some of the newer 6-liter diesels have EGR and CAT monitors because they do have EGR and CATs.
2. Hacking? No.
3. OBDII cycle complete to show DTC? No and yes. Because on some there are no OBDII monitors and on the ones that do have monitors yes.
1. Have I seen this before? Yes, I'm a smog technician. Diesels don't need to be smogged therefore no OBD II monitors are mandated. Some of the newer 6-liter diesels have EGR and CAT monitors because they do have EGR and CATs.
2. Hacking? No.
3. OBDII cycle complete to show DTC? No and yes. Because on some there are no OBDII monitors and on the ones that do have monitors yes.
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For the complete therory of OBDII for 6.0L 2003
take a look at www.motorcraftservice.com/vdirs/retail/default.asp?pageid=diag_theory_retail&gutsid=diags heet&menuIndex1=40
take a look at www.motorcraftservice.com/vdirs/retail/default.asp?pageid=diag_theory_retail&gutsid=diags heet&menuIndex1=40
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the reason you can't read anything is that ford super dutys have what is called CAN protocol. this is sort of the next generation of obdII
you need to find out if your autoxray is can compatable who ever sold it to you should have told you this
you need to find out if your autoxray is can compatable who ever sold it to you should have told you this
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Dump that auto xray thing on eBay and go get you a AutoEnginuity scan software. Be sure to buy the Ford Service pack. Without the service pack its pretty much useless. AutoEnginuity supports over 400 sensors for my 01" F350 7.3. I would assume it does about the same for the 6.0.
Here is what AutoEnginuity says about Ford and OBD 2.
Enhanced interface for Ford (EI01) 1994-2006
With the OBDII standard Ford only supports 20 - 40 sensors per the typical vehicle. But using the enhanced Ford interface, a typical Ford vehicle will support 200 - 300 sensors. Our enhanced Ford interface is only matched by dealer tools, we have support for 2900+ sensors selected from 67 systems. What’s more, the enhanced Ford interface would give you access to system tests like KOEO, KOER, Cylinder Contribution Test, Buzz Injector Test, Switch Test, Glow Plug Test, Windshield Wiper Tests, etc.
Being my first post on this site I have no clue if its ok to post links on places to buy or manufs website. Can somebody clue me in, and ill add links if it is ok???
Here is what AutoEnginuity says about Ford and OBD 2.
Enhanced interface for Ford (EI01) 1994-2006
With the OBDII standard Ford only supports 20 - 40 sensors per the typical vehicle. But using the enhanced Ford interface, a typical Ford vehicle will support 200 - 300 sensors. Our enhanced Ford interface is only matched by dealer tools, we have support for 2900+ sensors selected from 67 systems. What’s more, the enhanced Ford interface would give you access to system tests like KOEO, KOER, Cylinder Contribution Test, Buzz Injector Test, Switch Test, Glow Plug Test, Windshield Wiper Tests, etc.
Being my first post on this site I have no clue if its ok to post links on places to buy or manufs website. Can somebody clue me in, and ill add links if it is ok???
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Hi Jason, the AutoXray is using the CAN protocol. I can see it in the connect sequence. Sorry I should have mentioned it. I am getting some sensor data from the PCM just not any OBDII data.
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You can not use an OBD2 reader on a SD. From what I read any truck over 3/4 ton does not "require" one per the feds. Hence Ford going to the CAN network. Ford does not have to abide by the OBD2 readings on our trucks.
On the same note, my old CodeReader worked like a champ in my lil Ranger. But it locks up everythime I connect to the GFs '05 Corella. Looking around there is a difference between OBD2 and OBD2a. I am still not 100% on this, just know there is a new standard and the older code readers do not work on the new.
On the same note, my old CodeReader worked like a champ in my lil Ranger. But it locks up everythime I connect to the GFs '05 Corella. Looking around there is a difference between OBD2 and OBD2a. I am still not 100% on this, just know there is a new standard and the older code readers do not work on the new.
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Hi WuShock, I have been looking at the PC based tools and have talked AutoEnginuity. The problem is my truck is OBDII Exempt. I wanted to make sure I understood the problem and the best way around it before I bought another tool that didn’t work. I like the idea that AutoEnginuity can run the test KOEO, KOER, Cylinder Contribution Test, Buzz Injector Test, Switch Test, Glow Plug Test ect. My question is will I be able to see the DTCs without the OBDII support.
Thanks,
Mike
Thanks,
Mike
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Mike, what is a 6 pack kit? I am still a lowely 7.3 guy lol. Sorry not familar with the term. I couldnt not be more pleased with the way AutoEnginuity works on my truck. Their web site says it will read 300 sensors, they have updated since then as it reads over 400. Those guys are very active in improving their product. Customer service rocks.
And yes, I do believe all vehicles over 8K (if i remeber correctly) are considered Trucks and are Not considrered OBD 2 compliant. Thats the first thing my software tells me, and then two seconds later its fires up all 400+ sensors...
Here is the link to http://www.autoenginuity.com/products-software.html and then click on:
See our Ford 7.3L Powerstroke powertrain support here.
Ill try and post a screen shot of mine in action tonight.
And yes, I do believe all vehicles over 8K (if i remeber correctly) are considered Trucks and are Not considrered OBD 2 compliant. Thats the first thing my software tells me, and then two seconds later its fires up all 400+ sensors...
Here is the link to http://www.autoenginuity.com/products-software.html and then click on:
See our Ford 7.3L Powerstroke powertrain support here.
Ill try and post a screen shot of mine in action tonight.
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WuShock, Banks Engineering is a company that makes power chips for diesels and gas engines. You can install the power chip, intercooler, and the exhaust system or any one of the subsystems. The power chip has six levels of power hence the term six-pack.
I put all three subsystems and a pillar mount the exhaust temperature and boost gauge on my 2003 6.0L and gained around 130 horse power and a couple miles per gallon. Cost was around 3K.
If you do a Google search for Banks six pack 7.3 you will get a list of distributors. The Banks home page is at http://www.bankspower.com/engineer.cfm. The installation manuals are at http://www.bankspower.com/ownersmanuals.cfm
I put all three subsystems and a pillar mount the exhaust temperature and boost gauge on my 2003 6.0L and gained around 130 horse power and a couple miles per gallon. Cost was around 3K.
If you do a Google search for Banks six pack 7.3 you will get a list of distributors. The Banks home page is at http://www.bankspower.com/engineer.cfm. The installation manuals are at http://www.bankspower.com/ownersmanuals.cfm
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i have autoenginuity's palm based version and yes it reads all dtc's
it also perorms all the test you listed as well display over 400 senors etc in real time, graph etc. also it includes speed trac which allows you to dyno your truck 1/4 mile time etc
i am extremely pleased with mine and i understand that the pc version has things that i don't
i did so research and the only other one even worth a look was autotap
it also perorms all the test you listed as well display over 400 senors etc in real time, graph etc. also it includes speed trac which allows you to dyno your truck 1/4 mile time etc
i am extremely pleased with mine and i understand that the pc version has things that i don't
i did so research and the only other one even worth a look was autotap
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[QUOTE=mikefru]WuShock, Banks Engineering is a company that makes power chips for diesels and gas engines. You can install the power chip, intercooler, and the exhaust system or any one of the subsystems. The power chip has six levels of power hence the term six-pack.
I put all three subsystems and a pillar mount the exhaust temperature and boost gauge on my 2003 6.0L and gained around 130 horse power and a couple miles per gallon. Cost was around 3K.
If you do a Google search for Banks six pack 7.3 you will get a list of distributors. The Banks home page is at http://www.bankspower.com/engineer.cfm. The installation manuals are at http://www.bankspower.com/ownersmanuals.cfm[/QUOTE]
Maybe your refering to Banks-6 Gun?
I put all three subsystems and a pillar mount the exhaust temperature and boost gauge on my 2003 6.0L and gained around 130 horse power and a couple miles per gallon. Cost was around 3K.
If you do a Google search for Banks six pack 7.3 you will get a list of distributors. The Banks home page is at http://www.bankspower.com/engineer.cfm. The installation manuals are at http://www.bankspower.com/ownersmanuals.cfm[/QUOTE]
Maybe your refering to Banks-6 Gun?
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OBD and 2003 6.0 Litre monitoring
This engine unless from CA uses OBD-I monitoring vs. OBD-II - Fords datsheet on it is here...
http://www.motorcraftservice.com/vdi.../Dobdsm305.pdf
"OBD-I Systems
http://www.motorcraftservice.com/vdi.../Dobdsm305.pdf
"OBD-I Systems
If a vehicle is not required to comply with OBD-II requirements, it utilizes an OBD-I system. OBD-I systems are used on all over 8,500 lbs. GVWR Federal truck calibrations. Federal > 8,500 lbs. OBD-I vehicles use that same PCM, J1850 serial data communication link, J1962 Data Link Connector, and PCM software as the corresponding OBD-II vehicle."
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