honda has 3 different suppliers Toyo Roki , Tennex and fram

 

Glad you posted that Gashog, none of these brands are mentioned on BITOG, and no one here has mentioned the quality of them either. Makes a person wonder sometimes don't it, with all the good enough, more than good enough, et. al. that has ended up here lately in several discussions.


Ryan

 

toyo roki

is a pretty good filter but people think they are gold and pay 13 to 14.00 for them i cut open a used one and nothing stood out and there was sure nothing to make me pay 14.00 for it. you have to buy them by the case from japan.

 

On that note, since my 2.3L Ranger has had a Fram oil filter at least once since I've owned it and has a Fram air filter right now, I better donate it to charity or take it to the county compactor since it's going to biodegrade really soon.

Gee Whiz, I have to get started on that DOHC 3.4L v6 swap into my 95 Camaro sooner than I thought!

Should I be surprised that this thread lasted FOUR (4) pages? I really want to believe people are just THAT bored right now. While I don't work for Fram, advertise for them, and can afford spendier parts these days, they'd definitely be out of business if they really sold *that bad* of a product. I'd say "Ask John Delorean", but he's dead, correct? Oh well, let's have a few pages of debate about Super Tech oil. Because Wal-Mart sells it, it all has to be made in China, so it's all bad.

Sure, an occasional filter might fail, but it could be any brand that does that. A Triton gasser might slap, but not all do that. A GM v8 gasser might slap, but hmmm, GM actually says that's normal. My bad with that last one.

I'm sure I have a Motorcraft filter these days on the Ranger (and Fram has an equivalent in size for the same price), but you guys do whatever floats your boat and debate away....

I want to meet this engineer too. He's probably a good guy, but "sour grapes" can come into play.

 

1)I have never had a problem using fram. Yes and my grandmother smoked for 60 yrs and never got cancer.
2)If fram filters caused as many problems as people say the wouldn't be in buisness. Yes and the cigarrette companies are still making millions and its a fact that smoking causes cancer.
Atleast there is a warning on smokes, where is frams warning?My 2cents.

P.S. The only oil filter I have seen blown off an engine was a fram, and I'm still waiting to catch cancer.

 

Oh well, let's have a few pages of debate about Super Tech oil. Because Wal-Mart sells it, it all has to be made in China, so it's all bad.



geez where have you been that thread is like 4 down from the top it has already been started.

 

Wal-mart sells motorcraft oil too, so is it made in China?

 

Not sure what point you were trying to make, if any, kopfenjager, but if the oil filter actually blew off of your engine, there was something seriously wrong other than the filter.

 

No a VW sand rail. The accel cable got stuck in the housing when I was using the Crossbar on the delortos to keep it running on start up. I rapped on it and it stuck at about 7500 rpm before I could get it shut off. Cold oil,dry sump oil system filter before the tank. Alot pressure built up and the filter came flying off like a spud in a spud gun. Dad wasn't happy, it was his rail.LOL

P.S. what I was trying to say is just because you haven't had a problem with fram doesn't mean you or somebody else won't have one sooner or later. Instead of gambling I just buy a decent oil filter to begin with.

 

And this was Fram's fault how??

Doesn't mean you will either.

Based on your posts in the ST thread, I thought you knew better. Cost has little or nothing to do with whether a product is "decent" or not.

 

Yes, cost isn't always tied to quality. In the case of fram though, many people have had problems, hence I'm aware. Oil has specs it must live up to, hence the api certifications. These certifications change with technology and are often improved and more stringent over time. I have not heard of a spec on oil filters, wich they have to live upto, except in the post above (J806). I seriously doubt there is a high standard for oil filters, beside fitting a specific application. Are frams as bad as people say? I realy don't know, but I can buy a filter for less money, like a ST, with what I feel has better construction. Also I feel a filter should go into a bypass under extreme pressure, not strip threads and go flying. My 2cents.

 

They all meet or exceed OEM requirements.

No argument with you there. If I was at Wally I'd buy STs too if they were the least expensive.

 

Yeah, I'm guilty of bashing frams for the sake of bashing. But its soooo easy when you can find better products ( or at least products without a bad rap) for less money. Like ST. I had a front sump pan on my 4x4 when I bought it, and it developed a realy bad leak, after the front diff came up a couple of times and clearanced the pan. It took me awhile to find a 4x4 pan so I was constantly adding oil. Being able to get a good product for little money was a nice thing. After reading on FTE about ST and peoples testing of it and testimonials I became sold. Just like the one bad exp I had with a fram, and other peoples testimonies, put a bad taste in my mouth for Frams. That about sums it up.