Ford Headed the Wrong Way Again
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From: Bakersfield, CA
Originally Posted by jschira
The 6.0 uses a Ford engine management computer. The engine management functions on the 6.0 were all programmed by Ford engineers, not IH.
Just imagine if Ford hadn't reassigned all those engineers working on a redesigned Ranger or Econoline.
Just imagine if Ford hadn't reassigned all those engineers working on a redesigned Ranger or Econoline.
Believe me, Ford is making every effort to make the next engine right, the last thing they want is another blemish on their heavy duty truck reputation. They pretty much own the heavy duty pickup truck market, and with stiffer competition from GM they don't want any more missteps.
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The 6.0 uses International's FICM programming to control the injectors (which is sometimes, occasionally modified by Ford to be compatible with their own engine management) and Ford's PCM controls.
Some of you guys like to spout off an awful lot without having the slighest clue of what you are actually talking about- speculation is NOT information.
Some of you guys like to spout off an awful lot without having the slighest clue of what you are actually talking about- speculation is NOT information.
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Originally Posted by Powerdude
A lot of so called "foreign cars" are actually made in the good ol' USA, using American labor. Tundras in San Antonio, BMW's in the Carolinas, Honda Accords in Marysville Ohio, the list goes on and on.
I don't think the world is as simple as it used to be in the 1940's, when it was "them" and "us".
Have you ever wondered how Japanese auto workers felt when Honda told them they were building an Accord plant in Ohio? Probably the same as you.
I don't think the world is as simple as it used to be in the 1940's, when it was "them" and "us".
Have you ever wondered how Japanese auto workers felt when Honda told them they were building an Accord plant in Ohio? Probably the same as you.
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Originally Posted by Wrenchtraveller
I will stick my neck out and agree with Nick on this one. I beleive Ford needs to get the 6.4 right from the start and I really think they will do it this time.
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We had a smaller (4.2l) I6 diesel offered here in the F250 (alongside the 7.3l)
Thing was one of the most reliable engines I had ever seen (far more so than the 7.3l). However 85% of the people still elected for the 7.3l.
And this is in a market that is used to smaller (and gutless) diesels.
As much as I think personally it would be a very practical engine (a smaller turbo diesel I6) - I highly doubt it would sell well in the US.
Thing was one of the most reliable engines I had ever seen (far more so than the 7.3l). However 85% of the people still elected for the 7.3l.
And this is in a market that is used to smaller (and gutless) diesels.
As much as I think personally it would be a very practical engine (a smaller turbo diesel I6) - I highly doubt it would sell well in the US.
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BigF350, I think attitudes may be changing in the US. Maybe not across the board but many folks are redefining their priorities these days, with rising fuel costs. Don't get me wrong, the muscle of a PSD is a blast and the accellerator pedal is addicting. But I must say, every fill up I have to re-evaluate my need to flow adrenalin.
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BigF350, I think attitudes may be changing in the US. Maybe not across the board but many folks are redefining their priorities these days, with rising fuel costs. Don't get me wrong, the muscle of a PSD is a blast and the accellerator pedal is addicting. But I must say, every fill up I have to re-evaluate my need to flow adrenalin.
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I understand what you are saying (about attitudes changing)
You also have to remember that a smaller diesel in a truck this size won't get much better (if any better) mileage though.
You also have to remember that a smaller diesel in a truck this size won't get much better (if any better) mileage though.
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and you also have to remember that the "cummins" name is a big part of the dodge diesel sales. not just the fact that its an I6. wouldnt you agree that the CAT name would have a good chance of ford dominating the diesel market? and I6 also doesnt = reliability, it still needs to be designed to be reliable.
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Originally Posted by BigF350
I understand what you are saying (about attitudes changing)
You also have to remember that a smaller diesel in a truck this size won't get much better (if any better) mileage though.
You also have to remember that a smaller diesel in a truck this size won't get much better (if any better) mileage though.
I think most Americans are realizing that the good old days of plenty of oil to go around are coming to a close. Priorities are changing with RISING prices. At least for alot of folks.
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Also don't forget the Bio-diesel crowd. They simply don't want anything to do with petroleum products and adjust thier buying choices to accomodate. They will buy an old clunky Mercedes Benz diesel over a new car just so they can run diesel.
VW cannot make enough of thier TDI's to keep up with the demand. As a result they command prices north of $20k.
VW cannot make enough of thier TDI's to keep up with the demand. As a result they command prices north of $20k.
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Now I have to kinda disagree with you as far as reliability with an I6 diesel. For instance a cummins 855CI inline 6 diesel can go 500,000 miles without a suggested rebuild. Their smaller engines are the same way. Even Ford's 300 inline will outdo a V8 in most cases. I've seen people get well over 300,000 on a gas inline. Just a lot less parts to break.
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Why does everyone seem to think a V8 diesel can't last as long an inline 6? I'm tired of it. I'm willing to bet Ford is doing everything they can to make sure this engine is a hit.
Kwik, I love your page with the exhaust sounds...you sure like lugging it, lol.
Kwik, I love your page with the exhaust sounds...you sure like lugging it, lol.
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From: Bountiful, UT (north of
Originally Posted by Kwikkordead
They'd better or anyone owning stock in FoMoCo would be advised to sell it fast. When I went to Utah last month on vacation I saw about 5 times as many Dodge Cummins as either Ford or Chevrolet.
People that use trucks here are mostly using Dodges (ranchers, farmers, miners, etc.). Fords are acceptable and work pretty well but the GM trucks aren't selling to the people that make a living with them (for the most part).