Ford Headed the Wrong Way Again
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I will stick with American products built by Americans. We can build anything better than the foreign competition. People think the foreign cars are better just like a lot think the 6.0 is a bad design. I know a lot of people including myself who love the 6.0.
If we dont support our own economy who will. My.02 cents
If we dont support our own economy who will. My.02 cents
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Originally Posted by mrcobra350
We can build anything better than the foreign competition.
I don't want to get political.
BUT. If people blindly purchase a product (such as a truck) just due to patriotism it is doing nobody any favors. Competition breeds better products/service/value.
If competition is not encouraged the American auto companies will suffer what happened in the late 70's through to early 90's when they could sell whatever and people would puchase it.
Toyota is now reaping the benefits of this.
After all this - the main reason I purchase Fords (and only Fords) is because they support the Australian auto industry more than any other manufacturer (Falcons contain 92% Australian products) - but I only purchase thier products when they represent what I want more than the competition - whether it be performance, price, towing capacity etc.
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F350 , Hear, Hear, and in todays world big Industry knows no borders.
My 05 SD has a Canadian made engine and frame with parts from Mexico assembled in Kentucky. Big deal. I used to work for a New Zealand based Company , we got bought out by the Norwegians. My Grandparents were American. I am a Canadian and when Ford makes as car that holds it 's value as well as a Honda or Toyota does, then I will drive a Ford car.
My 05 SD has a Canadian made engine and frame with parts from Mexico assembled in Kentucky. Big deal. I used to work for a New Zealand based Company , we got bought out by the Norwegians. My Grandparents were American. I am a Canadian and when Ford makes as car that holds it 's value as well as a Honda or Toyota does, then I will drive a Ford car.
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i agree F350 and I have owned a Honda or 2 and I think they are the best made foreign car but is it made any better. My son has a civic with 195,000 miles on it and I have a Crown Vic with 218,000 miles on it. Both run perfectly. And Wrench you are right the Honda has a higher resale. But I cant say they build a better car. I put 300,000 miles on a 77 Pinto wagon. I am waiting to see what the 6.4 is going to be.
I hear Toyota is bringing out a full size diesel truck soon. I agree competition is a good thing by all means.
I hear Toyota is bringing out a full size diesel truck soon. I agree competition is a good thing by all means.
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Originally Posted by mrcobra350
I will stick with American products built by Americans. We can build anything better than the foreign competition. People think the foreign cars are better just like a lot think the 6.0 is a bad design. I know a lot of people including myself who love the 6.0.
If we dont support our own economy who will. My.02 cents
If we dont support our own economy who will. My.02 cents
Most Dodge 1500 and 2500 series are made in Mexico and Canada, respectively. The Cummins engine blocks are cast in Brazil. Chrysler is now a wholly owned division of DaimlerChrysler. Notice the Daimler comes before the Chrysler.
Ford 5.4 engines are made in Canada. The GM Duramax diesel is built in the US, but designed by Isuzu, so part of those revenues go to Japan.
A lot of so called "foreign cars" are actually made in the good ol' USA, using American labor. Tundras in San Antonio, BMW's in the Carolinas, Honda Accords in Marysville Ohio, the list goes on and on.
I don't think the world is as simple as it used to be in the 1940's, when it was "them" and "us".
Have you ever wondered how Japanese auto workers felt when Honda told them they were building an Accord plant in Ohio? Probably the same as you.
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Nick, I think he just mentioned Canada because it is a country outside the US that manufacturers cars for the US under "US" name plates - I don't think there was any reference to quality of Canadas manufacturing ability.
Both Canadian made 5.4 blocks I own, or have owned have done me pretty well - even under pretty arduous conditions
As far as I understand the Duramax name (and design) was sold to GM in place of Isuzu gaining full ownership (i.e. not being a subsiduary of GM), therefore no profits from the engine should go back to Japan.
In fact, even if it was still owned by Isuzu, the money would go over to Japan, only to return to the US anyway to GM.
Both Canadian made 5.4 blocks I own, or have owned have done me pretty well - even under pretty arduous conditions
Originally Posted by Powerdude
The GM Duramax diesel is built in the US, but designed by Isuzu, so part of those revenues go to Japan.
In fact, even if it was still owned by Isuzu, the money would go over to Japan, only to return to the US anyway to GM.
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Originally Posted by mrcobra350
I will stick with American products built by Americans. We can build anything better than the foreign competition.If we dont support our own economy who will. My.02 cents
God Bless America
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Not saying anything bad about Canada, I'm just pointing out that Canada is not the U.S.
As for making stuff in the U.S.A, the same companies that you would think make stuff in the U.S.A and have been part of the "fabric" of the US for a lot of years, are NOW shipping US Jobs overseas (and have been for quite a while).
Good ole U.S companies like IBM, Dell and HP, that took advantage of American ingenuity, tax breaks, government research and honest hard work throughout their history are SHIPPING jobs to India. How's that for loyalty to the good ole U.S.A?
How about other examples, while I'm here? United Airlines, nice old fashioned American company, been around for ages. Well, it's trying to dump its UNDERFUNDED pension plan on the government, so that you and I will get to pay the tab....
How's that for loyalty to the good ole U.S.A ?
Loyalty went the way of the Dodo a long time ago.
As for making stuff in the U.S.A, the same companies that you would think make stuff in the U.S.A and have been part of the "fabric" of the US for a lot of years, are NOW shipping US Jobs overseas (and have been for quite a while).
Good ole U.S companies like IBM, Dell and HP, that took advantage of American ingenuity, tax breaks, government research and honest hard work throughout their history are SHIPPING jobs to India. How's that for loyalty to the good ole U.S.A?
How about other examples, while I'm here? United Airlines, nice old fashioned American company, been around for ages. Well, it's trying to dump its UNDERFUNDED pension plan on the government, so that you and I will get to pay the tab....
How's that for loyalty to the good ole U.S.A ?
Loyalty went the way of the Dodo a long time ago.
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Regarding the American vs. Foreign vehicle debate it is not only where the vehicle is built or where the parts come from but also where the profits stay and who owns the manufacturing plants. During WW2, the American owned plants of the car companies converted to building military related products to support the war effort. This is why I remain a firm American vehicle purchaser. That effectively leaves 2 choices (Ford and GM). I happend to believe Ford is better in spite of some misteps in years past.
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1968 F-250 Camper Special - to be restored
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1996 F-250 Powerstroke - recently purchased with only 48K documented miles (may sell because I like the older trucks better)
1994 Ford Taurus & Sable Wagons (have done well)
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1967 F-350 Crew Cab (for sale)
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Originally Posted by jschira
I wonder how many were 6.4/6.0 and TS programmers and troubleshooters?
I just have a feeling that when the 6.4 comes out, Ford is going to let 6.0 owners twist in the wind.
I just have a feeling that when the 6.4 comes out, Ford is going to let 6.0 owners twist in the wind.
We have heard rumors to the effect that Ford is going to do something for 6.0 owners...but, why would they? To single out an entire engine line for special discounting on new purchases? They would have to put a heck of spin on that one. At the very least an indirect declaration to a bad design....as my teenage daughter would say...DOUBT IT! BTW: Generally speaking I do not believe it is a bad design. But, it do have it's problems.
This 6.0 / 6.4 rumor was likely started by those with lots of wishful thinking. I can't imagine it is something that has leaked (no pun intended
) from Ford.They could do a Ford Truck Loyalty promo or something but, I think that would even be a thin veiled attempt to say they're sorry....Just don't think it's gonna happen.
There, I did it. I agreed with jschira. I need a drink.
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I think this thread got slightly off track but I also think the premise of this thread is dead wrong. No laying off those engineers won't affect the new 6.4L why you ask? cause Ford isn't building it anymore than they built the 6.9, 7.3, or 6.0 it's built by international.
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Originally Posted by monsterbaby
I think this thread got slightly off track but I also think the premise of this thread is dead wrong. No laying off those engineers won't affect the new 6.4L why you ask? cause Ford isn't building it anymore than they built the 6.9, 7.3, or 6.0 it's built by international.
Just imagine if Ford hadn't reassigned all those engineers working on a redesigned Ranger or Econoline.
