6.4L Powerstroke
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From: Bass Lake, CA
who said the 6.4 was a different design?
why is it flawd?
a 400cc increase in displacement on a 363 cubic inch engine is tiny.
is there information that this is an entirely new engine, or is it just a slightly longer stroke 6.0 litre, with the same basic layout as we have now.........of course, with a bit more emission stuff bolted on.
why is it flawd?
a 400cc increase in displacement on a 363 cubic inch engine is tiny.
is there information that this is an entirely new engine, or is it just a slightly longer stroke 6.0 litre, with the same basic layout as we have now.........of course, with a bit more emission stuff bolted on.
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Well, just gotta add my .02. For one thing, I'm very surprised that Ford is already coming out witha new diesel. Granted, me and my '04 have had our share of issues this summer and as of yet, no more trouble. (pounding on hard hickory). I'll say I'm very upset for selfish reasons...this is the first diesel and first f250 (ranger and a 150 in the past). So, now that i join the diesel bandwagon, my motor is already going to be outdated.
I bought this truck with the hopes of running it into the ground...rack up couple a 100k miles and in 12 years, be proud of it. I just feel a bit jipped.
As for the new 6.4 being "unmodable" for emissions (or any other reason), that's bunk I think. No matter what is created in all of science, there will be a way to modify it...for better or worse.
On another note, I often do wonder in this day of 3 dollar/gallon fuel and hybrid cars and suv's lurking about, what will come of my diesel? Will I even be able to put fuel in it 5 years from now? Will the price be unbearable? Will the politicians force me into some darned hybrid wanna-be truck? but this is probably a thread for somewhere else...
I bought this truck with the hopes of running it into the ground...rack up couple a 100k miles and in 12 years, be proud of it. I just feel a bit jipped.
As for the new 6.4 being "unmodable" for emissions (or any other reason), that's bunk I think. No matter what is created in all of science, there will be a way to modify it...for better or worse.
On another note, I often do wonder in this day of 3 dollar/gallon fuel and hybrid cars and suv's lurking about, what will come of my diesel? Will I even be able to put fuel in it 5 years from now? Will the price be unbearable? Will the politicians force me into some darned hybrid wanna-be truck? but this is probably a thread for somewhere else...
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Can anyone tell me why Ford does not sign an agreement with Caterpillar, Mack, Detroit Diesel or whoever? This bouncing around from engine to engine will catch up with them very soon. People who buy a Dodge with a Cummins engine in it are not even in it for Dodge. They are buying the name Cummins. When was the last time you heard someone say that they just bought a new Dodge Ram Cummins??? I always hear that some individual just bought a "Cummins". It's not Dodge, it's the name Cummins that they are buying into.
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From: Middle River Md.
Even though my current 6.0 has been absoultly trouble free I can't imagine why Ford is leaning toward the 6.4. I feel the 6.0 and the new 6.4 will suffer in the long run.The leaner and hotter these engines operate has to have some long term effect on realibility.Even with the hi compression hi octane gas engines of the sixties really thought it was something to make 1 to 1 horsepower to cubic inch displacement.I can't see how these leaned out computer controled engines are going to make it in the long run.
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From: Vancouver, Canada
New metals and advancements in Forging make the new metals better then ever before. Its not just computers that have changed, the metals have got a lot stronger, and the hold build process is a lot better. New cars are more reliable than ever, and thats a fact. 1960s muscle cars are awsome, but they are no where as reliable as new cars that are runing hotter and create more power on less displacement.
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I doubt it. Who's going to buy a 6.0L when there is a twin turbo 6.4L, with (assuming these are going to be the numbers) 400hp and 700ft/lbs of torque, while still getting 25mpg in town? 
(I can hope on that last part-maybe I should be careful what I say, there might be guys that still think Ford owns any part of Cummins reading 
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EDIT: Not too mention the cost of producing both of the engines would not be feasible.
(I can hope on that last part-maybe I should be careful what I say, there might be guys that still think Ford owns any part of Cummins reading )EDIT: Not too mention the cost of producing both of the engines would not be feasible.
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I don't think we will see 400hp and 700lb ft initially.
The engine has reached that during testing so we have been told, but I would be surprised if it actually came out with those numbers - I would imagine power and torque figures similar to the current Duramax, with the possibility of increasing later on as they see fit (i.e. competition improves).
The engine has reached that during testing so we have been told, but I would be surprised if it actually came out with those numbers - I would imagine power and torque figures similar to the current Duramax, with the possibility of increasing later on as they see fit (i.e. competition improves).
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Good point. Although, by the sound of it, this engine should be able to produce more then 700ft/lbs and 400hp. I think your absolutely correct though, initially the numbers wont be so big. This will be interesting to see how this all turns out in the next couple years.
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