I just noticed monster's new sig. Dood, thats just wrong! 
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Originally Posted by ivanribic
For allllll the money and work you can put into a clev you could have built a much more powerful 460. Not to mention the 460 will still put out far more torque. For Christ sakes I've seen 4 cylinder ricers that put out 700 horse. Downside is those engines don't last long and have almost no torque which won't do dick for spinning big tires. Hell, Rob has run his cleveland and loved it but I would imagine there's a reason he pulled it out of the truck and built a big block. But I imagine much of the little engine attitude comes from these guys wives telling them "It's not the size that matters . . . it's how you use it!" 
Hey Jesse, what's the 411 on your 418?
Let's see some specs, flow numbers, cam, etc. Sounds like it'll be a wicked little engine.
Hey Jesse, what's the 411 on your 418?
Let's see some specs, flow numbers, cam, etc. Sounds like it'll be a wicked little engine.Last edited by jesse460; Jun 21, 2005 at 05:05 PM.
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Jesse you want to know whats really funny, the 460s aren't as heavy as everyone thinks they are it weighs about 40lbs more than my iron headed cleveland max, and that includes the fact I went to bigger tires on the rear which add some weight. Plus on another forum one guy actually weighed his alum headed 460 guess what it wasn't anywhere near the published weight and actually weighed 525lbs so that big block wouldn't have hurt you on weight at all, and with the extra torque you could have gotten away with taller gears, not needed the turbo charger, and probably been faster or at a min would have had a faster wheel speed out the back side of the track. trust me this comes from experience.
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I dont believe an aluminum headed 460 can get down to 525, they are something like 750 Iron headed, iron headed cleveland should be around 540 and a windsor should be a good 25 lbs less, I might be completly off base by tying to save weight. It has been a few years since I mud raced but the light weight promods would run the track in almost half the time the prostock trucks would and the engines were pretty compareable. I am shooting for it to wieght 2500-3000lbs verses the 5000-6000 lb trucks.
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If I remember right the only thing that 525 pound engine didn't have on it was the carb and distributor. That was with aluminum heads and aluminum intake. Pro, you are soooo right about the teabaging. He's really asking for it now.
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well lets think about this for a second, you have a 220lb block, 83lb crank, 2 heads at 46lbs each a 30lb intake, and around 40lbs worth of rods, pistons, rings, and bearings, and a 10 lb balancer, 10 lb flexplate 15lb carb, 5lb dist, and add 20 lbs for bolts etc, and guess what you have a 525lbs, and for reference my balancer weighs 6lbs, my intake weighs 23 my flexplate weighs 7 so that was just to show you I was using heavy components in the figures my block crank and heads were all weighed for different reasons, and I had to guess on what the rods, and pistons wiegh. the 750lb listed weight is actually around 100 to heavy then take off 80lbs for the heads, and I believe it's 30 for the intakeand of coarse a 418 needs a blowr to make it more than a wussie motor, just like I say build a bigger motor andyou don't need a blower
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Hey Pro , can I just add both of my 351Ws together to get over the 500cid mark. You know how I like to try to keep up with you guys.
Gotta go, my short bus just pulled up.
Chris
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I havent actually weighed a 460 so I am going by what I have read but everthing I can find on the web says an Iron headed 460 weighs 720lb, with aluminum heads and intake 680lbs. I have found this written in several places, and I looked up a bunch of crate engines and they all had ship weights from 680-700lb all had aluminum heads and intake. Where are you guys getting 525lbs?
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Well the first thing to consider is that the alum heads are 37lbs lighter each head so a 40lb total difference listed on that site is obviously just someone guessingor a wuss that wants to make the small block sound soooooo much better
and that doesn't include the difference in the weight of the alum intakeplus the fact that you don't have to wimp out and use double trbs or a sperchrger to get any power
and I was thinking about bringing the truck to KC but with the threats of teabags guess I will change my mind again BTWonly wussie brits drink tea or use teabags
and that doesn't include the difference in the weight of the alum intakeplus the fact that you don't have to wimp out and use double trbs or a sperchrger to get any power
and I was thinking about bringing the truck to KC but with the threats of teabags guess I will change my mind again BTWonly wussie brits drink tea or use teabags
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I can tell you that the 460 I pulled, with exhaust maifolds, steering pump, brackets, alternator, etc was 740. Only thing that was missing from that engine was the carb. You think the weight difference between aluminum heads and intake vs. iron heads and intake is only 40 pounds???? I'd bet it's close to 40 pounds difference on the intake alone.
EDIT: Just saw Rob's post. On a VERY conservative guess between heads and intake there's 100 pounds dropped right there. See, when you don't run a wussy small block the extra few pounds of engine won't hurt anything.
EDIT: Just saw Rob's post. On a VERY conservative guess between heads and intake there's 100 pounds dropped right there. See, when you don't run a wussy small block the extra few pounds of engine won't hurt anything.
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rebuild the c-6 or drop in an fmx.or hell if u want bulletproof just drop in a 4 speed granny gear manual trannie with a divorced transfer case. get ur buddies t-case and find a 4 speed out of an early 70s ford 3/4 ton.be shure to get the clutch linkage as well.
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All this talk of losing weight makes me thing maybe I need to cut down on my 12 gallon coolant capacity. There's an extra 100 pounds right there! On the plus side I'm now considering building my own startr for the big block out of a cleveland.
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me thinks that I know enough of what that means and want no part of it
Well Pro you still have Iron heads on the beast so you getter go on a diet, and lose a few pounds to make up for the fact your not running a small block.
And I think that teabagging should be reserved for those that think they can get bg blck hp out of a wussie small block
But on a lighter note twin turbos and blowers do sound cool so I guess thier ok for mall crawlers
Well Pro you still have Iron heads on the beast so you getter go on a diet, and lose a few pounds to make up for the fact your not running a small block.
And I think that teabagging should be reserved for those that think they can get bg blck hp out of a wussie small block
But on a lighter note twin turbos and blowers do sound cool so I guess thier ok for mall crawlers