Payload vs. Towing Capacity
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Payload vs. Towing Capacity
About to buy a 2005 with HD package, 4.1 lim. slip, 5.4 v8, 4x4, trailer tow, 8' bed supercab. Is the rated towing capacity (in this case, 9200) independent of payload? Does it assume an empty bed, or rated with full payload (in this case 2260)?
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It is note quite dependent of the payload. You also have to think about GCWR. The Gross combined weight of the truck and the trailer. In general it means the more you haull in the bed and in the passenger compartment, the lighter your trailer has to be.
Do a search in the towing section. You will find some better explanations.
Ruckus, as for a 8' scab, they are out there, but few and far between. I think I have only seen 1 04/05 so far.
Do a search in the towing section. You will find some better explanations.
Ruckus, as for a 8' scab, they are out there, but few and far between. I think I have only seen 1 04/05 so far.
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Kingfish51, I learn something new all the time
.I didn't know an 8 ft bed was available in SCab.My SCab with 6.5 bed just barely fits in my garage.Thanks for the info.
.I didn't know an 8 ft bed was available in SCab.My SCab with 6.5 bed just barely fits in my garage.Thanks for the info.
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I think this is a new (old) configuration. Something tells me you will hard pressed to find this configuration in an 04. I dont think they made such trucks last year. I think you were limited to a regular cab.
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No. I have seen even the 97-03 in that arrangement. Like I said, they are few and far between.
I do find it interesting that Ford will build you a scab with and 8' bed, but not a screw with a 6.5' bed.
I think part of the reason not many are sold is their size. They even look weird. Just seem to be out of proportion.
One advantage they have is for towing. The longer the tow vehicle, the better stability. You do lose some towing capacity as the weight of the truck is heavier.
I do find it interesting that Ford will build you a scab with and 8' bed, but not a screw with a 6.5' bed.
I think part of the reason not many are sold is their size. They even look weird. Just seem to be out of proportion.
One advantage they have is for towing. The longer the tow vehicle, the better stability. You do lose some towing capacity as the weight of the truck is heavier.
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Oh, I know they came in the 97-03 body style. I think Ford omitted that particular build (scab, longbed) in the 04 build year. And I agree, it is a very weird looking truck.
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Oh, I know they came in the 97-03 body style. I think Ford omitted that particular build (scab, longbed) in the 04 build year. And I agree, it is a very weird looking truck.
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Originally Posted by Ruckus
I have never seen an 04 or 05 SCab with 8 foot bed.That would really be a chore for me to park.I am going to be on the look out for one.Thank You for the information.
As I have said before these trucks are heavy and if I were towing anything substantial I would be very leery about anything other than a HD truck. I have weighed my Scab 4X4 with 6.5 foot box, with a full tank of gas, a few things in the box and my wife and I, and it came in at 6600lb. With the 7200lb GVW rating that puts me within 600 lbs. of being overloaded.
The other nice thing about the HD trucks is that they at least come with LT tires.
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I bought an 04 2wd scab long bed in January. I like it alot, i was used to a crew cab long bed so parking is not any worse. This configuration can only be had with the payload package. This truck is an XL, sat on the lot for at least 7 months. Scott
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I have an 04 XLT Supercab 4x4 with the 8' bed, HD package, tow package, and plow package and it isn't all that hard to park. Parallel parking is not recommended unless you take up 2 spaces. Have a Leer 700 tonneau cover on it. Also have Superchips 1714 running 87 Octane tune right now. Will be doing the towing tune on it later this year when hauling 16' tandem axle trailer to Arizona.
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Back to the original question:
In a word, NO. Payload & towing cap. effect each other - increase one, decrease the other. The main rating that connects all the others is GVW, as it's normally the first one to be exceeded.
It's not as NICE as the Mfr's allow us to believe, for instance, if you have a 4-door F150 you cannot carry 4 adults, load the bed & tow the max "towing cap.". The GVWR would be grossly exceeded, and doing so has consequences.
Per Engineering, their answer to my question of exceeding GVWR, "... for every 200lbs over loading (> GVWR) axle brg. / drive train LIFE can be derated by 40%." This is not linear so, 100lb does not equal 20% derating.
Wow, that's harsh hugh? One thing that's not clear is for what driving distance does the above derating apply, which I could not get an answer to.
So my advice, is to monitor your GVWR which includes the weight of the vehicle, any mods or additons, human occupancy, payloas & trailer hitch weight.
Good Luck!
In a word, NO. Payload & towing cap. effect each other - increase one, decrease the other. The main rating that connects all the others is GVW, as it's normally the first one to be exceeded.
It's not as NICE as the Mfr's allow us to believe, for instance, if you have a 4-door F150 you cannot carry 4 adults, load the bed & tow the max "towing cap.". The GVWR would be grossly exceeded, and doing so has consequences.
Per Engineering, their answer to my question of exceeding GVWR, "... for every 200lbs over loading (> GVWR) axle brg. / drive train LIFE can be derated by 40%." This is not linear so, 100lb does not equal 20% derating.
Wow, that's harsh hugh? One thing that's not clear is for what driving distance does the above derating apply, which I could not get an answer to.
So my advice, is to monitor your GVWR which includes the weight of the vehicle, any mods or additons, human occupancy, payloas & trailer hitch weight.
Good Luck!