V10 - "Gas Hog?"
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Pound for pound frontal area, Etc, all alibies V10 is a gas hog I get 10-11 MPG towing on a good day.That is a gas hog.Don't need to go into Rube Goldberg formulas 10MPg is 10 MPG..I mean you could say that compaired to a 747 the V10 gets great MPG. 10MPG is a gas hog don't care how many alibies we can come up with.However..I don't care..it sucks gas and I don't care..It tows my Rv it is a gs hog and I don't care....I don't care ..I don't care...
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Originally Posted by richfaa
Pound for pound frontal area, Etc, all alibies V10 is a gas hog I get 10-11 MPG towing on a good day.That is a gas hog.Don't need to go into Rube Goldberg formulas 10MPg is 10 MPG..I mean you could say that compaired to a 747 the V10 gets great MPG. 10MPG is a gas hog don't care how many alibies we can come up with.However..I don't care..it sucks gas and I don't care..It tows my Rv it is a gs hog and I don't care....I don't care ..I don't care...
I just have to disagree, gas hog can apply to a 55 mpg Prius if you're comparing it to a *** .049 model engine. There has to be some qualifier, the V-10 for what it can do, for what it does, for it's design is pretty stinking efficient. Basically a small block doing a big block's work in a 3 ton+ vehicle. Lots of torque and still a great top end horsepower range. I've seen over 15 in my big old bread box of a van, I get 9 towing a healthy trailer. I'm not a grandpa RV puller, I work that dude out going up the Oregon/Washington hills and mountains. 2nd gear, maxed out rpm, 90 degree heat, etc. My 89 460 would get 4 or 5 mpg towing and never run 5 grand for 20 minutes. With no load, just me, easy driving, 10 mpg. Busted manifolds, oh man, how far we've come, in a few years. I would challenge someone to name a gas powered vehicle in a superduty sized truck that is more efficient. Dodge V-10 ? HA ! GM's 8.1 (the punched out 454) ? Double HA HA ! All the owners of those engines are crying the blues with the gas mileage. Gas hog ? I don't think so, too many pluses in this big of a truck, Ken
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Ken, you have the right idea. I was going to compare the V10 to the 460, getting 5-6MPG, if you're lucky, towing... again, it ain't no gas hog.
the confusion is some people consider anything with less than 15MPG a gas hog without considering what it's doing. Compared to similar vehicles with similar tow ratings/heavy-use, no way this thing is a gas hog. I'll stop trying to argue the point now
the confusion is some people consider anything with less than 15MPG a gas hog without considering what it's doing. Compared to similar vehicles with similar tow ratings/heavy-use, no way this thing is a gas hog. I'll stop trying to argue the point now
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Originally Posted by Weevil
Yes arguing about 2-3 miles to gallon in the 10 to 18 mpg range is silly. Since I got my new F-250 I've been checking every time just curious.
I have a 29 g gas tank, so a 2 mpg increase means an extra 55 miles or so between fillups. That's a couple trips to work for me-so if I can find a cheap way to eek out another 2mph I will try it!
But I agree, no matter how you cut it the V10 gets lousy mileage. On the other hand it gets better-than-average mileage compared to other 7000lb gas powered pickups! It's all relative. I usually drive my 2005 Vibe to work-it gets about 32 mpg so I get to have it both ways.
I'll tell you guys what think are gas hogs-all the 1/2 ton pickups with small V8s that are only getting 14 mpg. Talk to the Ram 1500 Hemi owners who get 11mpg and alot of the GM V8 owners! I had a 2001 Silverado Z71 5.3L with the 4.10 and it averaged 13 to 14 mpg! The kicker is it was 2000lbs lighter than my F250 and got 25 less HP and 100lb-ft less torque! To me those are the real gas hogs.
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Apathy is bad. But who cares?
One positive from checking your gas mileage, at least it works this way for me, I tend to drive more consevatively and thus get better gas mileage. On the other hand if you don't check the mpg you tend to not care and I'll bet you a gallon of gas you're mpg will be lower. Course you won't know it so that is blissful.
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I agree with everything everybody says..Compare the V10 with anything you want to..Work out all kinds of charts.I got @ 10MPG towing with my 5.7L 3.73 Chebby..I will get @ the same with the Big V10..what does it mean...nothing...they were BOTH gas hogs.10 or 14 MPG no matter how or what with you get it is lousy MPG.Thats all I am saying..The V10 is a gas hog they all are..So why in the world are we concerned about it.... Don't make no difference what it is doing That is BAD mpg.
Why am I about the only one who will admit that the V10 gets horrible MPG.I will bet OPEC loves Us.. I love my V10..I bought it to do a job and it does the job...MPG was not a consideration.Of course I am happy that I don't have the Chebby 8.1 and Dodge...Don't like the truck
Why am I about the only one who will admit that the V10 gets horrible MPG.I will bet OPEC loves Us.. I love my V10..I bought it to do a job and it does the job...MPG was not a consideration.Of course I am happy that I don't have the Chebby 8.1 and Dodge...Don't like the truck
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Originally Posted by richfaa
I agree with everything everybody says..Compare the V10 with anything you want to..Work out all kinds of charts.I got @ 10MPG towing with my 5.7L 3.73 Chebby..I will get @ the same with the Big V10..what does it mean...nothing...they were BOTH gas hogs.10 or 14 MPG no matter how or what with you get it is lousy MPG.Thats all I am saying..The V10 is a gas hog they all are..So why in the world are we concerned about it.... Don't make no difference what it is doing That is BAD mpg.
Why am I about the only one who will admit that the V10 gets horrible MPG.I will bet OPEC loves Us.. I love my V10..I bought it to do a job and it does the job...MPG was not a consideration.Of course I am happy that I don't have the Chebby 8.1 and Dodge...Don't like the truck
Why am I about the only one who will admit that the V10 gets horrible MPG.I will bet OPEC loves Us.. I love my V10..I bought it to do a job and it does the job...MPG was not a consideration.Of course I am happy that I don't have the Chebby 8.1 and Dodge...Don't like the truck
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I give up.......Guess there is no way to make the point ..It's like the Ford, Chevy or Dodge guy who will only buy that brand all all others are junk not withstanding that they are all pretty much the same ( more or less). And you are corrrect I got my Honda Civic because of the great MPG thats the job i want it to do...I got the Big Ford F-350 V10 to pull a 12K+ Fifth wheel..Thats the job I got it for and there is no way to compaire what one does with what the other does...Except that One does it at 35 to 40 MPG and the other does it at 9-11 MPG. Oh yes ..I define MILES per Gallon as the MILES traveled on a gallon of fuel.. I am happy with the V10 9-11 MPG when towing..it beats the 8.1 Chebby..but that don't mean it doesn't suck fuel.
Don't take any of this too serious..Don't anyone get mad..I really don't care about the MPg and I realize that it is a arguement that can't be won...You know like the ones you have with the wife????
Don't take any of this too serious..Don't anyone get mad..I really don't care about the MPg and I realize that it is a arguement that can't be won...You know like the ones you have with the wife????
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Originally Posted by richfaa
Reality check..The V10 is a gas guzzeling fuel sucking mother..11,12,13,14 MPG is horrible...I have the 05 V10..I know it is a fuel hog I bought it to tow a very heavy fifth wheel RV and it does a outstanding job .I am a happy camper at 9-11 mpg. My 04 Honda Civic gets 38 to 40MPG Now that's MPG...Will everyone who bought the V10 because it gets great MPG please raise their hands...If your hand is up you have a serious problem facing reality..or verrry deep pockets.......Enjoy your V10..I do..I don't check V10 MPg..I just run Gas station to gas station..and it does not take to long.
My friend borrowed the truck for a 700 mile trip. He's not used to a big truck, and was a bit nervous driving it, and averaged around 15mpg. 5 people and a large dining room table with 6 chairs.
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Originally Posted by richfaa
I give up.......Guess there is no way to make the point ..It's like the Ford, Chevy or Dodge guy who will only buy that brand all all others are junk not withstanding that they are all pretty much the same ( more or less). And you are corrrect I got my Honda Civic because of the great MPG thats the job i want it to do...I got the Big Ford F-350 V10 to pull a 12K+ Fifth wheel..Thats the job I got it for and there is no way to compaire what one does with what the other does...Except that One does it at 35 to 40 MPG and the other does it at 9-11 MPG. Oh yes ..I define MILES per Gallon as the MILES traveled on a gallon of fuel.. I am happy with the V10 9-11 MPG when towing..it beats the 8.1 Chebby..but that don't mean it doesn't suck fuel.
Don't take any of this too serious..Don't anyone get mad..I really don't care about the MPg and I realize that it is a arguement that can't be won...You know like the ones you have with the wife????
Don't take any of this too serious..Don't anyone get mad..I really don't care about the MPg and I realize that it is a arguement that can't be won...You know like the ones you have with the wife????
I know exactly what you're saying, you're saying at 11-12 mpg any vehicle, not just your V-10, is a gas hog. But it isn't, if you keep it in context, and that's the important thing. A gas hog is only a gas hog compared to comparable rigs in weight, power, duty, service, etc. A Civic getting only 20 mpg would be a gas hog, in comparison to the rest of the 35-40 mpg Civics. Gas hog is a relative term, not literal, that's the difference and the point of contention, cool bro ? Sweet, take care, glad you bought the best,
Ken
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My old chevy 283 powered M114 light personnel carrier that used 1.7GPM was indeed a gas hog... I could do diesel and gas comparisons like this all day long including a trip down memory lane to my SS396, My SS454, My Ford 390, 409, and 460 powered cars and trucks...
I totally disagree with richffa asertion.. I understand what he is saying I just disagree.. the Ford V10 is far from a gas hog when you consider the watts, jouls, Horse Power, pound feet, or any other comparison standard to similar motors doing similar amounts of work.
The Modular 415 cubic Inch Ford motor is probably the one of the more effecient Gasoline powerplants made to date.
Yes, relative to a 1977 VW rabbit I had (with a small diesel motor and got 47MPG out of haulin my 185lb load) the 2005 7800lb 4x4 Ford Door 8 Foot long Bed, 9 feet tall, 8 feet wide, carpeted, headlined, thick leather bound interior with about a gazillion watts of electric power needs... well then the VW sound pretty effecient... BUT the puny 415 is doing work that I know would choke a 460!
I think the 3 valve V10 is damned impressive and I refuse to describe this truck as any thing less than frequing phenominal!!!!!!
I totally disagree with richffa asertion.. I understand what he is saying I just disagree.. the Ford V10 is far from a gas hog when you consider the watts, jouls, Horse Power, pound feet, or any other comparison standard to similar motors doing similar amounts of work.
The Modular 415 cubic Inch Ford motor is probably the one of the more effecient Gasoline powerplants made to date.
Yes, relative to a 1977 VW rabbit I had (with a small diesel motor and got 47MPG out of haulin my 185lb load) the 2005 7800lb 4x4 Ford Door 8 Foot long Bed, 9 feet tall, 8 feet wide, carpeted, headlined, thick leather bound interior with about a gazillion watts of electric power needs... well then the VW sound pretty effecient... BUT the puny 415 is doing work that I know would choke a 460!
I think the 3 valve V10 is damned impressive and I refuse to describe this truck as any thing less than frequing phenominal!!!!!!
Last edited by Fredvon4; Mar 18, 2005 at 03:06 PM.
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I agree to not care. I don't care that my truck sucks the fuel when towing. You know why, cause I got the cruise control set at ABOVE highway speeds, towing a big trailer and not slowing down. I can talk to my passengers like it is a lexus. It is big enough that I can stretch my over 6 ft body and hit the headliner. Compare that. Performance is going to cost. The performance I want will use 8 MPG! Unloaded, I don't care. I drive my little tiny 4X4, CC, LB, beast as hard as I want. Why, cause it is FUN. Fun costs too. It costs me 11.5 MPG........This truck gets better milage than any other gas powered truck I have owned. And it does everything faster too.
Stop comparing V10's to anything other than large full size (NO 1/2 TONS!) gas powered trucks.
Any one got a BSEG lately??????
Stop comparing V10's to anything other than large full size (NO 1/2 TONS!) gas powered trucks.
Any one got a BSEG lately??????
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I understand the comparisions and the context ..The V-10 really does good considering..My beasty weighs in at over 6500Lbs and it tows 12K + like it is not there..except on 7% grades.
This is a 05 F-350SD,V10,3:40 Diff CC, Long bed, Daully..a big truck. Wife says it drives like her 04 Honda Accord..comfort and style.....but it SUCKS GAS..and I don't care... So there...
This is a 05 F-350SD,V10,3:40 Diff CC, Long bed, Daully..a big truck. Wife says it drives like her 04 Honda Accord..comfort and style.....but it SUCKS GAS..and I don't care... So there...
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Originally Posted by Fredvon4
well richfaa just be glad you got the LB with 38 gallon tank... the SB with 29 gallons would have you filling up more often and be a constant reminder have efficient the beast is!
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