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Ford hasn't released many new motors in the last 5-7 years. Why? Well, I predict that once the US adopts low sulfer diesel in 2006, ford will release a whole slew light duty four and six cylinder diesels; perfect for cars, and trucks. Ford will be on the fore-front of this newly available technology. They will have the most diesel engines of any manufacturer.
But, if they dont do something fast, they'll be in a whole heap of hot water. Oh well, just my vision for the future.
Hope your right about the diesels. I'm impressed with jeep getting a turbo diesel into the Liberty. Would be nice to see a diesel option in all of Fords light trucks and SUV's, but the way they've dropped the ball with other motor designs, (Hurricane) who knows if they will follow through.
Well, from my opinion, DCX is in a much better position when it comes to putting diesel engines into production. More so than Ford could ever dream of being. From my understanding DCX is one of largest contributors to diesel engines in Europe. I know that Ford in the past did have diesels for farm equipment but now India builds them.
It would be very difficult for Ford to develop anything at this point due to financial issues. I am using some of the lasted developments as an indicator of financial issues.
Ford sold off their F1 and Jaguar racing teams, killed SVT, killed the hurricane, losing money, what last two years?
Quality is going down fast. Recalls are going up, fast.
Next thing you know Nascar will lost factory backing.
Who does that remind you of back in the early 80's?
It would be very difficult for Ford to develop anything at this point due to financial issues. I am using some of the lasted developments as an indicator of financial issues.
Sadly, this is probably the case. With the ever increasing thirst for power and rising fuel costs at the same time, diesel is the future. Maybe Ford realised this and will put their development money in an awesome small diesel. I do have my doubts though, because Ford is not in great shape and it will probably get worse with future pensions pending. Large powerful gas V8's will be around for a long while yet, and I think it was a huge mistake for Ford to cancel thier Hurricane program. Maybe they should have started out with a pushrod design, which would be much less expensive and also easier to incorporate some type of cylinder deactivation. This seems to be the big thing in the near future.
Ford has some good diesels already in the stable. Granted they might be a little smaller than americans are used to. I would be very happy for some of the diesels to come over from europe.
European countries subsidize diesel sales. They do not have any natural oil stocks. Every drop is imported. If americans could get diesel saturation up to 30% we wouldnt need a drop of middle east oil. I hope the energy department can strong arm the epa into letting diesels survive. If the US would subsidize diesels we would be a lot better off.
I think this would also slow down terrorism as I believe oil money helps fund the muslim extremist groups. Bin ladin being a key example of oil wealth gone awry. Now if we can just sell the idea to the president.
I would tend to think that DCX's association with Mercedes Benz would put them in a better position as far as diesel engines are concerned. It probably wouldn't be too expensive or hard to equip many of their vehicles with diesels. I wonder, does chrysler sell any models overseas that are similar to the US models and already have diesels in them? Hmmm...
I wonder, does chrysler sell any models overseas that are similar to the US models and already have diesels in them? Hmmm...
Yes, DC is in better shape than Ford or GM, as they do sell many of their vehicles overseas with diesels. I can think of the Neon, 300 (soon), PT Cruiser, Neon and others.
Well, from my opinion, DCX is in a much better position when it comes to putting diesel engines into production. More so than Ford could ever dream of being. From my understanding DCX is one of largest contributors to diesel engines in Europe. I know that Ford in the past did have diesels for farm equipment but now India builds them.
It would be very difficult for Ford to develop anything at this point due to financial issues. I am using some of the lasted developments as an indicator of financial issues.
Ford sold off their F1 and Jaguar racing teams, killed SVT, killed the hurricane, losing money, what last two years?
Quality is going down fast. Recalls are going up, fast.
Next thing you know Nascar will lost factory backing.
Who does that remind you of back in the early 80's?
I thought that since there has been such an engine dry spell that perhaps Ford was secretly developing advanced diesel engines. Wishful thinking? Perhaps, but my friend's father works in Ford's Advanced Engine Design Center in Dearborn MI, and awhile back he took my firend and I on a tour of the facaities. He showed us the 3V 6.8l V-10 over a year before it was released. He showed us the Duratec 35 (Cyclone) V6. This was about two years ago, and they were just about to start testing the Duratec, so no info on it's power. Also he menntioned to us that Ford was bringing diesels to the US market big time. So, even this info is very dated, I still think that many diesels are on the way. ! Also, I don't believe the Hurricane was cancled ! Ford had/has far too much invested in the design to just scrap it.
Just my thoughts -
Who does that remind you of back in the early 80's?
AMC of coarse, Im a huge AMC fan and im 18 years old!!
If ford does not stepp up there quality, technology and management they will end up just like AMC did. Maby GM or Honda will buy them out one day. I hope ford can pull out of it and start producing some vehicals with good reviews
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I think the hurricane would have been a mistake. Has the hemi increased truck sales. No it hasnt while Dodge sales were down for last year. While Ford had there best sales year ever. The hemi is no threat to Ford at all as far as trucks are concerned. The hemi rage is over. Diesel is the way to go in half ton trucks. Ford doesnt need a gas guzzling engine to compete with Hemi. A diesel would be the answer to power and MPG concerns. What does Dodge have to offer other the cummins and the hemi. Nothing there trucks dont begin to measure to up to Fords quality. People realize this thats why there sales do not increase. Kudos to Ford whos doing it right.
All I know is that from working on newer ford vehicles, they need to do something about their quality first and foremost. If they don't, they're going to be in real trouble soon.
150Ford, I thought you were all for the hurricane, I know that I was getting excited. Actually, the hemi did increase sales and more importantly kept the Ram from a larger sales decline at the end of it's cycle. Every vehicle the hemi is in has much higher take rates than anticipated. You've got to realize that the ram is due for a redesign and sales are typically down significantly during this time. If Dodge hits a homerun with the new design and increases the hemi to 350hp/390tq as in the charger you will see a very large increase in sales during the first year or two. If this happens when the new F150 is showing some age and still using the 5.4 it could spell trouble, especially since GM's redesign is coming soon and Toyota also, with a large V8 to boot. A bad time to cancel this engine program.
Ford has shown interest in getting small diesels to market with many of their concept vehicles. The Bronco concept, and the SYN-US are two that come to mind. Also, imagine the aftermarket possibilities with a turbo diesel. The VW Jetta's have a diesel that is only adequate stock, but I hear that with a tuner, intake and exhaust that they make a real good sleeper. Imagine a Ford Ranger with a Diablo Predator tuned diesel. It could easily be up and over 350 ft-lbs of torque. I would bet that everyone will be rushing to get diesels to market come 07 and low sulfer diesel. I know I will be in line to get me a diesel Ranger if they ever come to the US.
Nothing there trucks dont begin to measure to up to Fords quality. People realize this thats why there sales do not increase. Kudos to Ford whos doing it right.
150Ford, I'm calling you out on this ford quality thing. Haven't you been paying attention. All of the quality issues ford has right now with the F150, 500, GT, Focus, the past 6.0 debacle. Come on.... Can't drive it for 2 months while ford works on a fix, can't use your speed control until ford can fix the problem or take a chance of burning your house down. I have a good friends brother right now that is having ford buy back his 04 because of electrical problems they can't fix. I have read numerous threads right here on this forum people forcing ford to buy back because of issues. I would be intrested in knowing exactly how many buy backs ford has had in the last few years because of problems they can't fix. It's funny how very seldom I hear of any other forced buy backs because of problems by GM and Dodge. And this isn't even opening a discussion on safty problems. Show me ford quality because all I see is cost cutting, and quality problems. The best thing that can happen for ford is if Toyota buys them out, sales off the cars and keeps the trucks for themselves.