i had a good time bustin' some rice burners hindends with my 360 while it was still around. i put carb, intake, and headers on it along with a gear change out back. dont know the hp and tq numbers though.

 

Too Funny!!!

 

The windsor will still weight 200 lbs less.

 

200lbs? I think that may be a bit optimistic. I always thought FE's weigh about 100lbs more than windsor's, and 460's weigh about 100lbs more than FE's.

Edit: Here's a link to various engine weights. According to this, the FE weighs 140lbs more than a 351W. Still not enough to worry about IMO. You want light? Try a 2.8L V6 - 305lbs! The later 4.0L V6 (based on the same motor) shouldn't weigh much more. I guess it all comes down to is he looking for power / torque or lack of weight?

Re-edit:Here's another link on the weight of various motors.

It appears on that link that I was right, FE's weigh 100lbs more than 351W's.

 

I think the reason to build an FE has nothing to do with weight. I'm not looking for a hipo street machine, just something to smoke the tires with and to have some fun in. I would be real happy with mid 15's at the strip. Now I've talked to a lot of people around here, people I would consider "knowledgeable" and maybe even experts. They all agree that the 390 was a better engine from the factory. Also, they say that in stock form the 360 was a "pig," which someone I believe said on this forum. However, all the people I talked to said that they had never modified their 360s. They did all say that they loved thier 360s and that they were the most durable engine they had ever owned, one even said it beat some of his deisels in durablility. Now, I know that the 390 has way more potential, but what I've been arguing for is the potential of the 360. I want to pay around 500 bucks for a rebuild and buying a new crank and rods is just not gonna make it. I'll have to go way over budget for that. I used dd2k to build a 360 and I got really good results. I may try it if I buy a truck with a 360. I am looking for one, but they are hard to find around me because of rust issues due to salt corrosion.

Erik

 

Let us know how it goes.

 

Rusty, why didn't your brother put a bigger cam in his 360? Also, what kind of intake manifold did he use. did he just use the spreadbore conversion to squarebore or what? What kind of headers did he use ie... full length, shorty.

Erik

 

Why didn't he? Because he knew what he was doing!

I didn't put a bigger cam in the 360 for a number of reasons. First, he had intended to build the 390, and had the parts, minus the cam. This included a pricey set of forged pistons. All that came with the truck when I bought it; I would have been a fool not to put it together and run it.

Second, the 360 would not have supported the large cam with it's relatively low compression ratio. Desktop Dyno does not correctly model this. In a smaller car you probably wouldn't notice the low end torque loss, but in a truck you definately will.

The 360 I had used a stock long block, stock cam, pistons, heads, crank, and rods. It had a stock 4-barrel iron intake, a holley 600cfm carburetor, full length hedman headers, and dual exhaust. I can tell you the 390 has way more power than that 360 ever thought of having, and the 360 was not slow. I mean, stomp it at 25mph and it peels. First gear is basically useless at WOT.

Now if you really want to make that 360 a runner, you should keep the cam relatively small but port the heck out of the cylinder heads, particularly on the exhaust side. It's free if you do it yourself and adds big HP.

Trust me, we've been up and down the 360 issue on this board. We've come to the conclusion, and I'm sure you're aware of it by now, that it's best to convert a 360 to a 390. It need not be expensive. There are plenty of junkyard F250's out there with a 390, a perfectly good crank, and set of rods. I'd be surprised if they charged you $50 for it if you pull it yourself.

 

I wonder what a 360 crank in a .030 over 427 block would be like with a descent comp. ratio... probably would be a high winding son of a gun, what would the cubes be? I'm thinking in the 395 to 400 cubic inch range

 

With stock 427 bore dimensions I calculated it to 393.5ci. Just for s***'s and grins I ran it through DD2k with stage 2 KC ported heads, 2.19" / 1.73" valves, 10:1 compression, single plane intake with 850cfm carb, headers w/ open exhaust, and a Crane 349521 roller cam. It got 637hp @ 7000rpm, and 543ft-lbs @ 5500rpm. I changed the stroke to standard 427 spec 3.784", changing nothing else, and it got 637hp @ 6500rpm, and 566ft-lbs @ 5000rpm.

See why stroke is good?

 

Kurt, do you have any of the Lunati cam profiles?

 

Oh I understand what you mean about the 390. I would prefer to build one, but I've just never heard of anyone building a 360 and kinda wanted to do it just for fun. A buddy of mine runs a big cam on his 302 and it only has 8:1 compression ratio. I think that it would run okay, but whatever. The thing is, I don't have a lot of money, and Ford trucks in my neck of the woods are far and few between. Especially ones with 390's. It's not unusual to find trucks with 351M in them or 302's or especially 300's, but that doesn't help me any. I'm flying to NC to find one. I could get a 390 kit there, and then just drive the 360 the 800 miles back and then rebuild it. IDK I don't wanna mess around with spending tons of money on a motor. If I can find a buildable 390 I'll do it but otherwise I will just run the 360 stock maybe. Once again. I don't know I would still sure love to build a 360!!!

Erik

 

I have one in in my 85 BroncoII. It's coming out in a month for a 302. 2.8s do better in the 2,000 lb cars they were deisnged for, not the 3,600 lb bronco they were stuck into. In a short wheelbase 4x4, I wouldn't want a heavy *** big block to to the job that a lighter engine that can produce compairable torque will do, and not cause the front end to dig to china the first blip of the throttle.

I'd save the big block for a fullsize truck.

 

Well, the 4.0L in my '92 explorer seems to move it along pretty well.

Annihilator, no, I haven't got any Lunati profiles in DD2k. They do list 'em here though.

 

I got my scout home the other day. IIt has a traction lock rear, T-98 tranny factory gear spliter and a 1968 Ford Galexie engine in it. Holly 2 barrel. It is a 1967 scout. It was last registerd in 1973, ther guy parked it in a feild, droped a Ford V8 in there and left it there for 32 years. very little rust. THe engine still has oil in it, looks good too, but I will change it to be safe. I will just rebuild the engine that is already in there, with a 6.40 first gear and 4.27-3.73 rear I should have good torque whatever V8 I drop in.

THanks alot for the info...