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I think it has a lot to do with the increased price of diesel fuel, that $6,500 kick in the jaw you take just getting the diesel, and the noise and smell of a diesel. Dodge no longer makes a V10 for trucks.
Good points from everyone. And let me clarify my last post's point by adding I don't mean to claim a used V10 F250 will sell as quick as a diesel, but it will sell a helluva lot faster than any of the other HD pickups on the road. To hear someone use resell capability as a reason not to buy a V10 is stretching my imagination.
Alot of diesel fans throw that in your face as a reason to spend an extra $4000 on a diesel and it's lame. Go to any Ford truck dealer and ask them why there's few or no used V10 Superduties on the lot? They'll probably give a whole bunch of reasons why but I'll bet you won't hear any of them say we don't take 'em on the used lot because we can't move 'em!!
Better yet-put an ad in the local free ad publication that you have a 2002 V10 4x4 F250 XLT with 40K miles on it for sale at a reasonable price and see how many call you get!! You can just say "It's already sold"!
If you're on the fence about buying the V10 due it resellability then get off the fence and into a V10 SD! It'll sell just fine when you get ready to buy a new one. (And don't believe much of what the diesel guys say about it-they don't lie but they don't tell you everything either!)
Not that it was a resale but the reason I got to buy a top of the line fully loaded 05 V10 KIng Ranch is the sweet deal I made on the 01 Platinum V10 that sat on the lot for over 9 months because here new V10s do not sell. Got into the thing for $29K and change. 3 years and 47K miles later I assasinated it and USAA took 2 weeks to give me a 27,684 dollar pay out check! Talk about falling in the poo and climbing out smelling sweet. Cost about 3K plus fuel and maint to own a F250 for three years. If I had paid full window the same truck would have cost just at 10K for the three years of use. That is still great value in my book.
I have had fours Superduties since 99 (wife works for Ford). All have been V10s. I am very picky with my vehicles, so they are always in top condition. I always trade them in and the dealer gives me excellent pricing on the trades. I usually like to see how long it takes for them to sell my trucks once they hit thier used lot. My 99 took 3 hours, my 2000 took two days, and my 2002 took 1 week. At least here in MN, there is absolutely no issues with V10 resale, in fact it seems like the diesels sit on the used lots longer. Although there are always more of them on the lot.
At least here in MN, there is absolutely no issues with V10 resale, in fact it seems like the diesels sit on the used lots longer. Although there are always more of them on the lot.
MJS
I have to agree with this statement. 50,000+ miles on mine and still runs great. Not one issue with the engine.
I've been seeing a lot more V10s around lately, a lot of new 05 3v ones too...
I think it has a lot to do with the increased price of diesel fuel, that $6,500 kick in the jaw you take just getting the diesel, and the noise and smell of a diesel. Dodge no longer makes a V10 for trucks.
I think the reason the VT365 costs so much more is because Ford buys it from Navistar, and that the 6.8 is a Mod motor with two more cylinders, made in house...
Here in Oregon regular gas in $1.90-$1.99 and diesel is $2.35-$2.50, that's 10-20% higher. So a 12 mpg vehicle would have to get 13.2 to 14.4 better mileago without any added expense, ie; the initial buy in cost of the diesel. Take into account all the peripheals, like oil changes, 2 very expensive batteries every 3 years, fuel separators, etc and it gets more expensive. But like I said before, the difference in price I would bet worked out in a major percentage of cases comes down to very little, if any over the course of the vehicles projected life.
Now, if you haul a 20,000 pound fifth around year after year with the V-10 I'd bet it would accelerate the wear. But firing up your diesel to run down to the corner store is also bad ju-ju, as they need to come to temperature to be efficient and last. Most my driving is 20 minutes or less. Not near enough time to get the diesel warm, which is why I switched back to gas, even though the mileage may be slightly worse.
But the 3 Cornbinder/Ford diesels I had all got 10-12 mpg so I'm actually ahead of the game with the difference in price per gallon. But 10 years ago I went to a commercial fueling site and payed significantly less, plus I pulled the race car alot, so the diesel made sense. But man, it sure was embarassing sometimes getting smoked up the hills by the gas guys. Of course that was before the Power Strokes were around, my non-IDI diesel made like 180 hp and 380 ft lbs or so, much less than my current gas motor, Ken
I searched for 8 months for a used V10 Super Duty. I found very, very few of them. The ones I did find were so far from home that it was hard to justify the trip. I never knew why these trucks were so scarce. Still don't..
same here, Looked and looked and looked, Found a few local, but enfded up driving 100 miles to buy mine
I've had a powerstroke diesel and got tired of the expensive repair bills, not to mention the fuel mileage and fuel price was about the same as v-10. Bought a v-10 and love it, loaded with power and very reliable. Hadn't had any huge repair bills with the v-10, and will pull whatevr you want.
I am a happy owner of an E-350 15 passenger V-10, 3.73. I love the power, and it does ok on gas, 12-14 combined hwy and town, worse in the winter.
My brother bought a 1999 SD 250 PSD, 4x4 new, and paid a premium for it since nobody had any Diesels on the lot then.
We were talking about trucks recently, and he admitted that the diesel is no more economical than a gas engine. He had figured that it would take 70,000 miles of driving to pay for the added expense of the diesel engine, but he had not figured in the more expensive service. He is averaging 14.5 mpg, and was complaining about the higher price of diesel fuel now.
The only advantage I can see for him is the added resale value of the PSD when he is ready to trade.
Greg58
Thanks for all the replies guys. I think the v-10 will be my choice. I have found a few 03's but I cant get the wife off her duff to go look at them with me maybe today. I think the v-10 works for me not a daily driiver and only on weekends, also dont want the higher expense with the diesel cost.
The only advantage I can see for him is the added resale value of the PSD when he is ready to trade.
Greg58
I'd be curious to see the blue book adder for a PSD over a gas engine in 5 years. It certainly won't add $6,500 to the used car value. And as most of us trade every 4-6 years I would bet the V-10 will be more econimical in the long run. Besides, if you really want economy, you could buck up $25,000 for a Prius. Although the 60 mpg they're rated at is more like 40, which aint bad, but that's an expensive economy car. Ken
I'd be curious to see the blue book adder for a PSD over a gas engine in 5 years. It certainly won't add $6,500 to the used car value. And as most of us trade every 4-6 years I would bet the V-10 will be more econimical in the long run. Ken
I compared the value of my truck with a V-10 to that of an identical diesel on kbb. The diesel was worth $4000 more. I couldn't believe it.
If I remember correctly, kbb puts a much higher premium on the diesel than Edmunds does. I don't know what the NADA says, but it's probably a better reference than either Edmunds or kbb.
Could use some advice. Just test drove 2001 4X4 V10 with 60,000 miles and a C3 axle code, which after a little work appears to be the 4.30 - LS right?
Are people really getting 14 MPG with a 4.30 and in a 4X4 setup? At over 60 MPH that tach was moving out well past 2000 RPM.
Next, it was a XL truck plastic seats and all. I just got done driving it so you can guess it's dark out, but the truck sure made a lot of noise given a gas engine. Now it's possible the hubs were locked - didn't look or have a light, so I may have been listening to drive train noise.
Anyway, thoughts are appreciated. Drove real nice.