yes 94 they are the 110w. sometimes they run them on sale for 36. they are name brand (can't remember the name) and they said they don't get any back!!! i think i will get a few and try them before i buy all that i need and see how well they work.....

 

Yowza Maverick, thats one heckuva deal!

beeboy....those lights are almost 14" thick total, not 8. Then you still need to add the depth of your electrical box too.

 

The 'depth' in this case is the width, they are less than 8" tall total. If your electrical box is mounted flush with your sheetrock, it should be OK.
You can see the full specs in the pdf off this page.
http://www.stoncolighting.com/product.asp?id=105

Depth: 13.625 inches
Nominal Height (in): 7.825

 

I've had good luck with the bulb type Fluorescent Light Bulbs (the kind that look like pigtails) in my shop. Here in FL, the high humidity seems to wreak havock with a regular fluorescent setup. I got a couple of the bulbs and some of the cheap outdoor light fixtures (like 3 bucks apeice) that the bulbs fit in from HD.

The start off a little yellow when you first turn them on, but after everything is on for a few minutes, they brighten up very nicely. I replaced 3 48" fluorescent setups with 9 of these bulbs -- they turn on every time and are equal in lighting the shop. Been in use for 6 months now - no problems so far.

 

Beeboy, I see what your saying on the depth vs width issue here. I was looking around Goodmans at all of the other MH lights listed, looks like they are all in the same or similar box and the 100watt lights say 13 inches in the height and width, so I'm not certain that they have all of their measurements correct. Have you seen any of these and can tell us for sure what the height is on these units? Thanks!

 

A standard 4' T8 is 32W. I couldn't find a 4' HO lamp in my GE catalog.

I ran into the same ballast problem with our existing T12 fixtures. The ballasts simply would not push the 34W energy-saver lamps, cold or hot. I swapped them all out during the Spring so I'll find out how well they work as the temps drop.

The reason I picked the $25 T8 fixture is because it was the only 4' fixture THD sells that was rated for low temps (written on the box).

Hmm... interesting tid-bit I found in my GE Lamp catalog (has everything you never cared to know about light bulbs...): Those 8' T12 HO's definitely put out some serious lumens: about 8000 mean lumens compared to 3000 for a standard 4' T8. Granted, for 110W I would hope so... However, lamp-life is rated at ~12k hours, compared to ~20k for the 4' T8... And when compared on energy used (lumen/watt) a 4' T8 is about 20% more efficient.

If you want some serious light, check these out: http://www.ruudlighting.com/searchcatalog/product_spec.asp?dept_id=3&ser=H
However, the price makes HID's look cheap.

Also, in case anyone was curious: T8 stands for 8/8ths, or 1" in diameter. T12 is 12/8ths, or 1 1/2" in diameter. A T5 is 5/8ths in diameter.

 

It's all rather confusing.

I was in Lowe's Friday evening and saw an 8' 2-lamp T12 fixture that was labeled HO and compatible with temperatures down to 0 degrees. It was selling for about $40. Unfortunately, I didn't have a lot of time to look it over carefully. (DW was patiently waiting)

I had thought that HO is analgous with T8 and that Low Temp is analgous with an electronic ballast. I'm pretty sure that first assumption is wrong. The second might be wrong as well.

I'm going to have to get serious about researching this.

Thanks to everyone who has tried to help me figure this out!

 

You got that right... I work with this stuff for a living... and because of that I get subjected to a dizzying array of fact and figures... I even did some calculations for recessed cans... but ended up needing something like 30 fixtures for out 28x30 garage... but man, that would have looked cool!

T8's are simply a different (newer) type of bulb. Slowly becoming a commercial standard. When we're talking about a large number of bulbs, that watts/lumen things makes a difference when they burn for 16 hrs a day: like 1000's of dollars per year... Less of an issue for a home owner with a dozen or so fixtures.

I've been told different things regardling electronic ballasts. One rep said basically what you wrote: "Electronic = 0 degree" but not all ballast manufacturers will tag them as such...

 

I have not seen them in person. If you check out that pdf though, they have a diagram showing the measurements. I bet they will go real nice in my garage..

 

I have 8 foot HO fixtures with HO bulbs that I got at Home Depot for around $65. They work great in the winter. This is in an unheated building in Minnesota so not going with HO was not an option. Less than $40 sounds like a deal to me.

My fixtures are magnetic ballast T12 fixtures. If they had had the T8s or electronic ballasts in HO when I got mine I might have gone that route but that wasn't an option when I bought them. I have had no problem with these and zero warm up time.

My only problem is transporting the bulbs, that is a pain with how fragile they are and being 8 feet long. Don't have to do that very often though.

 

As far as the difference in price between Menards and HD, that doesn't surprise me. I've seen HD price stuff at up to 5x what menards does for a comparable item (hand tools for example). At best they are the same price. Often they are a lot more. So they might very well be just as good as the Home Depot fixture.

I would verify electronic vs magnetic ballast, T8 vs T12, and H.O. If they match on those stats I would get whatever is cheapest.

 

they were HO T12. i'm not sure on the ballast, i'll have to check that. but they were made in the USA..WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Maverick Man,

You are a SERIOUS early riser.... posting to this forum at 4:04 AM!?!?!?!?!?

 

ya, not by choice. get up at 3:45AM to get ready to drive an hour to work. it sucks. maybe some day i'll hit it rich....hahahaha

 

i Have a small place out back we built, !4' x 24'. ran a sub panel out there 60 amp. we have 8' walls and two lofts.4 twin sets of floresent lights and 3 100wat bulbs. each on its own switch. with all on it's like day time, but you can shut one or the other off just to putter. Plenty of juice for compressor and tools.