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Originally Posted by pcwb
The best fluoresent lights are made by Orion West Lighting, a 3 bulb - 4' fixture puts out 900 watts of light, is instant on at 0 degrees, Electronic ballast (does not buzz - EVER), Never flickers, consumes less than a 100 watt fixture, and is accurate color rendition ta-boot. 1 fixture is 2 - 3 times brighter than a 2 bulb 8' Depot style light,
<!I build shops, garages and horse barns, I have installed 1000's of these lights>
<!and my customers love them (have them in my 80' x 100' x 18' shop). I sell them>
<!for $115 ea (reasonable, compared to the Depot units for what you get) Look >
<!for a dealer in your area, or email me and I'll email you a dealer in your area.>
pcwb
<!I build shops, garages and horse barns, I have installed 1000's of these lights>
<!and my customers love them (have them in my 80' x 100' x 18' shop). I sell them>
<!for $115 ea (reasonable, compared to the Depot units for what you get) Look >
<!for a dealer in your area, or email me and I'll email you a dealer in your area.>
pcwb
http://www.hew.com/documents/specification/43622.PDF
(right-click & download pdf)
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I found the site that pcwb was talking about, it is a division of Orion lighting. They are under : www.equinelighting.com The lamps are T8 4' flourescent lamps. It seems as though the fixture that puts out the "equvilent to 900W" is a comparision that is based on comparing their three light flourescent fixtures consuming 115w to 900w of incadesent output, incadesecent has a very low lumens per watt consumed when compared to more effecient lighting sources such as flourescent and HID. I have requested additional information from them to try to determine exactly what these fixtures and bulbs are. The equine lighting site says the 6 lamp fixture has a total output of 227w which would be 37.84w per bulb, so they're not HO's or SHO's. I would like to determine if these are just a variation of the still available 4' "old style" 40w daylight flourescent. I think alot of their candlepower on the ground is due to a very well made reflector fixture and not nessasarily anything special on the bulbs.
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So, now that I'm back to considering high output fluorescents, is there a good place on the internet to buy fluorescent fixtures? I haven't had much luck in my Google searches. HD has an 8' 2-light fixture, but it's a bare fixture and I'd like to find one with a wrap around lens.
Thanks
Edit: By "good place" I meant "inexpensive".
Thanks
Edit: By "good place" I meant "inexpensive".
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I havent looked around too much on the net ,I've got the bare fixture 110w HO's from the box and they are very bright, but it would be nice to have a fixture that reflected some of the wasted light down.
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Originally Posted by jjshaw
So, now that I'm back to considering high output fluorescents, is there a good place on the internet to buy fluorescent fixtures?
www.grainger.com and www.mcmaster.com are more "commercial" sources and will ship to you within a few days.
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Hey Ian, I believe the fixtures jj was referring to are 8' HO, they are 110w (each) 8' bulbs, available at HD, these 110 watters are hard to beat for price and lumen output, just need a reflector for them.
The problem with grainger and mcmaster is twofold, the first is their pricing is pretty darn high and the second is not everyone has an account.
The problem with grainger and mcmaster is twofold, the first is their pricing is pretty darn high and the second is not everyone has an account.
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I'll have to check again, but I was pretty sure my local HD only had one HO fixture, which was a 2-bulb 8-footer.
I don't really have a preference between 8' and 4'. I've just got a fair amount of space (~1200 sq ft) and I don't want to spend a fortune on light fixtures.
I figured it would take about 8 of the 8' fixtures. If I remember correctly, HD wanted about $80-$90 for the fixtures alone. Not sure how much bulbs cost. I'm guessing about $800 for fixtures and bulbs. That's not going to kill me, but $500 would be a lot easier to live with.
I don't really have a preference between 8' and 4'. I've just got a fair amount of space (~1200 sq ft) and I don't want to spend a fortune on light fixtures.
I figured it would take about 8 of the 8' fixtures. If I remember correctly, HD wanted about $80-$90 for the fixtures alone. Not sure how much bulbs cost. I'm guessing about $800 for fixtures and bulbs. That's not going to kill me, but $500 would be a lot easier to live with.
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Originally Posted by 94F150-408
Hey Ian, I believe the fixtures jj was referring to are 8' HO, they are 110w (each) 8' bulbs, available at HD, these 110 watters are hard to beat for price and lumen output, just need a reflector for them.
The problem with grainger and mcmaster is twofold, the first is their pricing is pretty darn high and the second is not everyone has an account.
The problem with grainger and mcmaster is twofold, the first is their pricing is pretty darn high and the second is not everyone has an account.
I never look at 8' bulb fixtures out of habit as our clients don't want to store the bulbs. We always spec 4 footers that use the same lamps as the troffers in the rest of the building.
Additionally, 0 degree ballasts for 8' HO T12's are $$$ (unless THD has changed their prices... couldn't find the 8' fixture on their site). This is the main reason I use the 2 lamp 4' T8 fixture ($20 ea. @ THD) I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
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I used the the old tried and true 8' H.O. fixtures from H.D. Combined with a bright white ceiling and walls, my shop looks like an operating room. One tidbit of info you should be aware of with H.O. lights. The "energy saving" H.O. bulbs they sell (95w vs. 110w) will not work at low temps. This info is not posted at the store, it is the case never the less. Read the info on the ballast and you'll see. I had to return the case of lamps I bought. They took them back no problem, but it was a PITA anyway cause I'm 45 minutes away.
Oh yeah, my shop is 26 x 36 with a 12' ceiling. I used nine 8 footers.
Oh yeah, my shop is 26 x 36 with a 12' ceiling. I used nine 8 footers.
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Ian,
I think I was confusing high-output with the low-temp ballasts. Aren't the T8's considered High Output? I think HD has a few T8 fixtures. I'm looking for high output and low temperature operation. I think that leaves me with only one option at HD - the 8', 2 lamp fixture that sells for $80-$90. The $20 2 lamp 4' T8 fixture would need a ballast upgrade to be low temperature compatible, wouldn't it?
Rammon,
Thanks for the info. I'll check the ballasts before buying bulbs. I was doing some layout drawings for my shop last night and came up with needing nine 8 footers. I'm glad to hear they work so well for you.
I really wish I could figure out a way to make the metal halides work, as it would save me about $500. For a 10' ceiling though, I'm thinking the fluorescents might be a better choice. Guess I'll be dropping a (actually, another!) $grand at HD!
I think I was confusing high-output with the low-temp ballasts. Aren't the T8's considered High Output? I think HD has a few T8 fixtures. I'm looking for high output and low temperature operation. I think that leaves me with only one option at HD - the 8', 2 lamp fixture that sells for $80-$90. The $20 2 lamp 4' T8 fixture would need a ballast upgrade to be low temperature compatible, wouldn't it?
Rammon,
Thanks for the info. I'll check the ballasts before buying bulbs. I was doing some layout drawings for my shop last night and came up with needing nine 8 footers. I'm glad to hear they work so well for you.
I really wish I could figure out a way to make the metal halides work, as it would save me about $500. For a 10' ceiling though, I'm thinking the fluorescents might be a better choice. Guess I'll be dropping a (actually, another!) $grand at HD!
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the 8ft HO low temp fixtures at Menards are less than $40 each. i've looked at HD Lowes and Menards and Menards is the cheapest. i think they are all comparable so i don't understand the big price difference....
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Wow! Wish there was a Menards around here!
Gotta be a difference in the fixture, doesn't there? HD isn't always to absolute cheapest, but they're rarely twice as expensive as the competition. Maybe some difference in the ballast? That's the highest-dollar component.
Gotta be a difference in the fixture, doesn't there? HD isn't always to absolute cheapest, but they're rarely twice as expensive as the competition. Maybe some difference in the ballast? That's the highest-dollar component.
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Originally Posted by jjshaw
I really wish I could figure out a way to make the metal halides work, as it would save me about $500. For a 10' ceiling though, I'm thinking the fluorescents might be a better choice. Guess I'll be dropping a (actually, another!) $grand at HD!
http://www.goodmart.com/products/259091.htm