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Old Oct 12, 2004 | 11:21 PM
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my 04 6.0 is at the dealer right now but they cant find any thing wrong with it. a couple of times now on me it took 9 trys to start it before it would finally fire up dealer says it did not through a code and has not done it to them yet so they are going to replace my rear main seal thats been leaking and i should get it back thursday. any one else had this problem ?
 
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Old Oct 12, 2004 | 11:40 PM
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Always get a second opinion when it comes to something like this. Go to another dealer, make sure they have a certified diesel tech, and have them look at it. Because one too many times, the dealership has gas engine techs looking at diesel engines and misdiagnosing.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2004 | 06:08 AM
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Because one too many times, the dealership has gas engine techs looking at diesel engines and misdiagnosing.
It happens sooooo often ... Toreador is correct.....take this to heart.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2004 | 08:41 AM
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Didn't Ford mandate that only certified diesel techs were allowed to do/work on warranty issues?







Off to Colo. today for a week of pursuing elk.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2004 | 09:53 AM
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my 04 6.0 is at the dealer right now but they cant find any thing wrong with it. a couple of times now on me it took 9 trys to start it before it would finally fire up dealer says it did not through a code and has not done it to them yet so they are going to replace my rear main seal thats been leaking and i should get it back thursday. any one else had this problem ?
How do they know the rear main is leaking? Did they put dye in the oil and let you run around in it for a week and then do a black light test to see where the oil is coming from. I had my rear main done and it took 1/2 day!

On the no/start or hard start their service manuals have a diagnostic chart that tells them what to check. It doesn't need to throw a code. I would speak to the service manager. If you don't get satisfaction, go somewhere else. If you are getting this from a service advisor, just tell them to have the certified diesel tech check it out.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2004 | 09:56 AM
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99% of the hard starting issues with these trucks are either a glow plug/glow plug controller/glow plug wiring harness or an injection control pressure issue...sounds to me like, if it is as hard to start as you are making sound, it is probably an injection control pressure issue. Have them start with the ICP sensor and IPR, and work their way down from there. IMO.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2004 | 09:58 AM
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How do they know the rear main is leaking? Did they put dye in the oil and let you run around in it for a week and then do a black light test to see where the oil is coming from. I had my rear main done and it took 1/2 day!

On the no/start or hard start their service manuals have a diagnostic chart that tells them what to check. It doesn't need to throw a code. I would speak to the service manager. If you don't get satisfaction, go somewhere else. If you are getting this from a service advisor, just tell them to have the certified diesel tech check it out.
You would be amazed at the number of techs who go by NOTHING but codes. I know some who will begin a service procedure by scanning for codes; if none show up, he will simply say theres nothing he can do. I am sometimes curious if some of them have ever even heard of a diagnostic flow chart

I know we make fun of parts changers here alot...but in some cases, especially with these vehicles, guessing and changing is sometimes the answer with parts that are difficult to diagnose in proper function.
 

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Here is the chart of things to check from the manual:

Perform the following preliminary checks:

Check engine oil level and correct oil viscosity.
Check for sufficient clean fuel.
Check for an intake restriction.

SYSTEM/COMPONENT
Check Fuel Pump Pressure
Check Engine Oil Pressure
Perform KOEO On-Demand Self Test
Perform KOEO Injector Electrical Self Test (Click Test)
Check Parameter Identification (PIDs)
Fuel Injector Control Module (FICM)
Check Glow Plug Control Module Circuit
Check Glow Plug Control Module
Check Glow Plugs
Check Glow Plug Connectors
Check for ICP Bias Sensor

Bad dealer service is going to give this engine a bad name.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2004 | 12:27 PM
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thank's for the info i am going to ask to talk to the diesel tech and if that does not work i will be shopping around for a new service center.
 
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