Balancing big meats
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Balancing big meats
Many of us are running big tires, and many of us have tried some of the "tricks" to balance them. Centramatics don't work on big tires. Equal sorta works, but is problamatic, which leaves bb's and golf *****. Well, it also leaves antifreeze...which I'm been thinking about trying. I've used bb's to good effect but theres been talk about the bb/gb method damaging the "liner" of the tire. So, heres a link for your perusing enjoyment. Don't take it as gospel, but I thought it interesting.
http://www.trucktires.com/us_eng/lib...v6iss2/ra9.asp
Personally, I still think bb's are great...but the antifreeze might be something to play with...assuming that that too wouldn't negativly affect the liner.
http://www.trucktires.com/us_eng/lib...v6iss2/ra9.asp
Personally, I still think bb's are great...but the antifreeze might be something to play with...assuming that that too wouldn't negativly affect the liner.
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From: Coutts Canada
2 words about balancing big tire, Semi Sand. Any tire dealer that deals with semi tires (a 10.00 20 is equal to a 44" tire) can do it, and plus you tires will be balanced even when packed with mud. And it won't wreck you tire/rim, costs abou8t 60 bucks a wheel though.
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I've just been reading up on the balancing thread over on Pirate. Some interesting info there.
What I found interesting was that they kept saying "They also probably did irreparable damage to the tire." Sooooo basically they have no idea. These guys are just assuming that because they've got a handful of dirty ***** (don't go there) that the tire must be toast?
I was going to use bb's but now I'm thinking of trying the golf ball route. I've thought about antifreeze as well but that could be a bit messy and if I do end up using an internal monitor it's not going to be an option. However since it's safe enough to pass through radiator hoses with no disintegration I'd imagine a tire lining would be fine. As environmentally concious as I'm not I would still go with one of those stupid Green Peace endorsed brands that you can feed to your dogs without harm, just incase I dumped some on the trail.
I think the semi-sand is prone to the same problem that the Equal has. It works great unless you get moisture in there. If you're running the tires on the street 24/7 it's not a big deal but if you air them down and refill a lot (especially on the trail) you stand a good chance of getting moisture in there.
What I found interesting was that they kept saying "They also probably did irreparable damage to the tire." Sooooo basically they have no idea. These guys are just assuming that because they've got a handful of dirty ***** (don't go there) that the tire must be toast?
I was going to use bb's but now I'm thinking of trying the golf ball route. I've thought about antifreeze as well but that could be a bit messy and if I do end up using an internal monitor it's not going to be an option. However since it's safe enough to pass through radiator hoses with no disintegration I'd imagine a tire lining would be fine. As environmentally concious as I'm not I would still go with one of those stupid Green Peace endorsed brands that you can feed to your dogs without harm, just incase I dumped some on the trail.I think the semi-sand is prone to the same problem that the Equal has. It works great unless you get moisture in there. If you're running the tires on the street 24/7 it's not a big deal but if you air them down and refill a lot (especially on the trail) you stand a good chance of getting moisture in there.
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I saw that thread on pirate as well. I figure I'd just put some pixie dust in my tires, and let them work 
I think those bolt on bling rings that ivan found would be the best way to fix it. (the ones you put on the spindle b4 you bolt on the tire; they have bbs in a circular tube)...
I think equal is a good idea, but it would make sense to carry an filtered air supply to fill your tires.... (like a moisture filter on your onboard air chunk, like the ones you put on a paint sprayer)...
I think those bolt on bling rings that ivan found would be the best way to fix it. (the ones you put on the spindle b4 you bolt on the tire; they have bbs in a circular tube)...
I think equal is a good idea, but it would make sense to carry an filtered air supply to fill your tires.... (like a moisture filter on your onboard air chunk, like the ones you put on a paint sprayer)...
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I tried Equal in a set of well worn 38.5" TSLs and it helped a bit, but was inconsistent. One time it would balance fine up to 65mph...then next time I'd hit the highway and couldn't go over 50mph. Stop on the side of the road to let it settle and run back up to 60mph and all would be fine.
I personally like the idea of BBs since they'd have less "friction" then Equal which I don't think disperses very well...plus they're a lot cheaper then the $15/tire that Equal cost me. I have a new set of 38.5 TSL SX on my truck now, whenever it's back on the road I'm going to try them unbalanced and then throw 10oz of BBs in there to see what happens.
I personally like the idea of BBs since they'd have less "friction" then Equal which I don't think disperses very well...plus they're a lot cheaper then the $15/tire that Equal cost me. I have a new set of 38.5 TSL SX on my truck now, whenever it's back on the road I'm going to try them unbalanced and then throw 10oz of BBs in there to see what happens.
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Originally Posted by bremen242
I think those bolt on bling rings that ivan found would be the best way to fix it. (the ones you put on the spindle b4 you bolt on the tire; they have bbs in a circular tube)...
). They don't have enough weight in them to balance that big a tire. I believe the company said anything over a 33 or 35 and they're useless. Otherwise I'd own a set right now . . . what were you thinking? 
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I have never heard of the BB method. I am running 39.5 TSL's on my truck and would like to try and balance them. Could someone explain the different methods?
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Originally Posted by snipercole
I have never heard of the BB method. I am running 39.5 TSL's on my truck and would like to try and balance them. Could someone explain the different methods?
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The problem with adding things to the inside of the tire is you have no idea what the inbalance weight of the tire is. Without knowing that it's barely a shot in the dark. If it was 6 oz and you added 12 oz then your right where you started from with no results. I took my truck to a shop that could balanced them on the truck, told them I only wanted the weights for each tire, went back home and added the weight to each tire being careful to not move the position of the wheel in the tire. Another thing don't confuse out of round with balance. They are two different issues and big tires are anything but round.
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Originally Posted by mark a.
The problem with adding things to the inside of the tire is you have no idea what the inbalance weight of the tire is. Without knowing that it's barely a shot in the dark.
if you are worried about it then take your tires somewhere and have them turn them and see how many oz it would take to balance then go home and drop in the proper weight of BB's or golf ***** or sand or whatever
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Mark, I have to disagree with you here. Using any product like bb's, equal, liquids, etc. will balance themselves due to centrifugal force. If your imbalance is 4oz and you add 8 oz of bb's the spares balance on the opposite side of the tire, just as centramatics don't use an exact weight for each tire. If you don't understand it watch their video and it will make more sense. The same basic thing happens inside a tire when internal weights are added. The advantage to having a little extra is when your tires wear or if you loose a chunk of rubber they will automatically balance out whereas if you only use enough material to correct the original imbalance then you stand a good chance of re-balancing in a short time if you're using your truck offroad in terrain that will beat up your tires.
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Originally Posted by ivanribic
Those are the Centramatics that Pro was talking about (he was actually the one that found them ). They don't have enough weight in them to balance that big a tire. I believe the company said anything over a 33 or 35 and they're useless. Otherwise I'd own a set right now . . . what were you thinking?
). They don't have enough weight in them to balance that big a tire. I believe the company said anything over a 33 or 35 and they're useless. Otherwise I'd own a set right now . . . what were you thinking?