Ford saw that the market had moved on, and they needed a new engine, they're not Dodge that can just rest on their laurels, and they saw the best platform they could work with in the 6.0. As for the thread title, can there be too many?

 

Ford saw that the market had moved on…exactly and Ford has always been forward thinking…if you live on your laurels you will eventually fail and lose market share...the 6.0 is the right idea

 

I have no problem with them building a new and different engine to stay ahead. But wouldn't you think they would come across these problems when they test them? Or don't they test them long enough and just cross their fingers hoping for the best?
I'd like to think they would try to put a million miles on an engine or two and see how it holds up.

 

I highly doubt that they put the 6.0 out without even testing it, I'm sure that any problems that it had when it first came out were not weeded out during their testing. Trucks is one thing Ford doesn't take lightly, they generally don't rush to the market, they just keep the market by consistantly offering the best product. Now, the 6.0 doesn't have it's teething problems, and the F-350 is the most capable truck in the history of it's class. They've already started R&D on the replacement for the 6.0.

 

The 7.3 definitly had some growing pains the first two years it was out. They had some headgasket problems as well as cracked heads so they werent always fool proof. Yeh the 6.0 has definitly had some problems no question about it. The duramax is not as fool proof as people would like you too believe. They have had some serious injector problems that they have addressed with a new 200,000 mile warranty. Good move. And Ive heard about some blown heads as well. Im still not too keen on aluminum heads. Ive yet seen one go past 200,000 miles without problems. The 6.0 the jury is still out. One thing for sure the superduty is by far the best truck. One reason why they sell so well. If your going from a superduty to something else its a big step down. Even if your a diehard GM or Dodge loyalist you gotta love that superduty.

 

150Ford, unless i ammistaken the 6.0 doesn't have aluminum heads does it? I know the 7.3 didn't and I'm pretty sure the 6.0 doesn't, I don't think aluminum heads would last at all on a deisel, did I read your post wrong? I am not keen on aluminum heads either but my new '04 F-150 has them and that is all that is available, but at least they're uner warranty for 100,000 miles.

 

There are a lot of 'net rumors and stories about problems with the alum heads on the dmax motors but there are almost zero real world problems with them. Go on over to the dmax forums and do some searching. Just like this forum, those attract a lot of problem issues so you'd sure see it there if it was any kind of chronic problem. Just because folks don't think alum heads should be on a diesel doesn't mean they don't work. I thought the same thing years and years ago when they first started showing up on production gas motors. Seem to work well, though.

 

I work at a Chevy dealership (Job security) and I'm a die-hard Ford guy. Here's what I see...

1. No Duramax hard failures in 2 1/2 years...'cept for those idiots that gotta have those 120 horsepower tuners and NO breathing upgrades or gauges. I've seen two melted down due to EGT and one turbo failure from hot shut-downs.

2. The Allison transmission is utter JUNK. Front pump seal failures and burned up clutches (again, from those guys who gotta have 120 extra horses). They ARE at their durability limit from the factory.

3. The Duramax likes to live at 2700-3200 RPM. Any lower and it's dog-city. It's a diesel engine designed for someone who's never owned a diesel and is used to a gasoline engine's drivability habits. You wouldn't believe the number of Duramaxes that have come in here that need to have gasoline drained from the tanks!

I am not a fan of V-8 diesels however....especially the lower ends (crank/rods) of the PSD's and Duramaxes (big block chevy sized rods come to mind). I don't drive my 95 PSD hard at all so I don't like the fact that there's no low end torque. I don't like that I have to run it at 2200 RPM and higher to get it to do anything. I miss the Cummins I used to own....I just don't miss the Dodge part of the rest of it. 1800 RPM is all I need and that's just what the Cummins WAS good for (up till the 600 came out). I AM NOT A DODGE GUY....just like a REAL diesel in my REAL pickup.

Cody

 

Well, that's your opinion, anyway. Having owned 4 new GM and Ford 3/4 ton's in the last 5 years, I disagree. They're all good trucks. I don't picture the ford's or the GM's as being better or worse.

 

Sorry about that Jeb. Yes it is my opinion. Should have stated that. We should be lucky to have such great trucks available. No matter what the brand.

 

1) I really don't consider myself an idiot - I preach exhaust and gauges before anything else. But I'd imagine this would be an issue with any motor.

2) I really haven't heard that or seen it - modded or not. I guess it's possible.

3) Just wrong - no truth to that statement at all.

4) Very true the I6's and V8 are differant engines. Doesn't make either 1 better or worse.

 

Jeb (to prove your point),
Go do a search for Duramax aluminum head failures - last time I did it I found 1 from a couple years ago.

If your going to use that logic 1 could say a higher reving diesel motor (6.0 PSD)wouldn't last as long either. Both statements can really only be proven by time.

 

Question, is this true??
"3. The Duramax likes to live at 2700-3200 RPM. Any lower and it's dog-city. It's a diesel engine designed for someone who's never owned a diesel and is used to a gasoline engine's drivability habits. You wouldn't believe the number of Duramaxes that have come in here that need to have gasoline drained from the tanks!"

Do the duraless enginess really stay at 2700-3200?? When I pulled with it I noticed it was about 3000, but I just figured it was too much of load for it. Also, there must be some idiots who buy those trucks if you really have that many filled with gas. Sounds like some of those owners would be better off on their pocket books just to stick with gassers so they don't have a repair for fixing the damage caused by the gas. Bet that's expensive.. Anyone ever seen or heard of a PSD owner filling up with gas?? Just curious, I haven't heard of any diesel owner being that stupid. Anyways, back on track. I understand that my 6.0 has the highest rev limit. But even when I'm towing 11000lbs. I rarely and I mean RARELY go over 2200 rpms. Again, when I had the misfortune of towing with the duraless it would stay constant at 3000. The cummins 600 didn't have a high rev put throughout it's range it just didn't have any testicular fortitude. So I guess I'm curious as to why the duraless needs to stay at 2700-3200rpms.. Seems like a waste of fuel, hard on equipment, and just unnecessary.

Best of Luck,
Corey

*Parts Changers*

 

I've read several posts of 6.0's being filled with gas on this site. Please refer to the 6.0 forum. I don't know what your deal was when you pulled with the Dmax. I run around 2200 rpms @ 73-75mph pulling between 11,000 - 12,000#. And it actually takes a pretty steep grade for the motor to come out of OD. Sounds like we pull about the same.

 

Actually I think he made quite an assumption saying that the owners fill up their own truck. I've read instances where the station attendent (which in some states, by law, they have to fill up your rig) or a guys wife did it. But to say that if you drive a Chevy Duramax you have more of a chance to fill your rig with gas is a lil ridiculus...