Differance between programmers and "boxes?"?
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Differance between programmers and "boxes?"?
I am a new to this site and have been reading it to research 6.0's. I'm looking to possibly purchase one in the near future.(4-6 months) My first of many questions is the differance between the programmers and the add on boxes. I understand what the programmers do , but not the boxes. How do they work and what are the pros and cons to either system. My coworker has a 2004 6.0 and is planning on buying the Banks Six Gun system. It seems like a good product but after reading some of the other threads on the programmers the performance gains seem to be equivalant or even greater with less cost and headache. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by geeride
I am a new to this site and have been reading it to research 6.0's. I'm looking to possibly purchase one in the near future.(4-6 months) My first of many questions is the differance between the programmers and the add on boxes. I understand what the programmers do , but not the boxes. How do they work and what are the pros and cons to either system. My coworker has a 2004 6.0 and is planning on buying the Banks Six Gun system. It seems like a good product but after reading some of the other threads on the programmers the performance gains seem to be equivalant or even greater with less cost and headache. Thanks.
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Plus..
The tuners have DTC code reading capability, data streaming, easily removed/programed to stock for service work ect.. Extra ponies in just minutes, for a reasonable price!!
.........................HP......................
The tuners have DTC code reading capability, data streaming, easily removed/programed to stock for service work ect.. Extra ponies in just minutes, for a reasonable price!!
.........................HP......................
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geeride....
very astute observation on mr banks stuff...
while it IS nice stuff...
it does seem to be highly overrated and somewhat overpriced to some ...
the same or better return on investment can be had for half the cost based on what I've seen....
very astute observation on mr banks stuff...
while it IS nice stuff...
it does seem to be highly overrated and somewhat overpriced to some ...
the same or better return on investment can be had for half the cost based on what I've seen....
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The tuner seems to be the way to go if you don't plan on getting crazy w/the modifications. I also like the fact of being able to put it back to the factory tune for warranty work. It would completely suck to have them not honor some defect just because of trying to gain some better performance.
My plans are to have a nice reliable but well performing truck to tow a toy hauler with but something that looks, runs and sounds good.
So a tuner , exhaust system , air filter, gauges ,nice stereo ,maybe a small lift..............
Thats it. I can't take it anymore, i'm off to the dealer to look at them again!
My plans are to have a nice reliable but well performing truck to tow a toy hauler with but something that looks, runs and sounds good.
So a tuner , exhaust system , air filter, gauges ,nice stereo ,maybe a small lift..............
Thats it. I can't take it anymore, i'm off to the dealer to look at them again!
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This kind of answered a question I was wondering about. But here's another: what is "stacking"? Is that where you run a box and a programmer together, or what? Can you even do that? Is it safe (generally safe). If, say, I wanted a constant flow of power that could come with the Predator at 65hp level, but I wanted some adjustability to really give the truck some power on the fly. Could I run the predator at 65hp, but have an adjustable Bully Dog Powerhound hooked up for a quick race? Would that be relatively safe? Can it even be done? Or am I a powercrazed idiot?
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I know that Predator has a big disclaimer in their owner manual warning against stacking. Yes, it can be done. But, you are risking a lot.
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Originally Posted by SBV45
I know that Predator has a big disclaimer in their owner manual warning against stacking. Yes, it can be done. But, you are risking a lot.
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There was a guy at the track with a Chevy duramax that had a box with a name that I didn't remember hearing before in the various threads. He'd also done some intake and exhaust mods, but beyond that I think that it was just this box.
The thing was seriously overfueled. When he took off there was such a huge cloud of black smoke that the starter and other folks in the staging area had to wait a minute before they could let the next group of cars enter.
I believe that he was turning high 13s - with most of that being made up on the top end.
By contrast, I turned a couple matching 14.33s with the SCMT in Hi Perf mode (versus 16 s flat stock). I didn't smoke like crazy off the line, nor does the truck blow smoke in general when getting into it out on the street.
In this respect, I think that the driveability and streetable performance of my tuner was better than his box. I would rather sacrifice a bit of ultimate performance rather than be driving around seriously overfueled all the time. Don't know what his EGTs were either.
The thing was seriously overfueled. When he took off there was such a huge cloud of black smoke that the starter and other folks in the staging area had to wait a minute before they could let the next group of cars enter.
I believe that he was turning high 13s - with most of that being made up on the top end.
By contrast, I turned a couple matching 14.33s with the SCMT in Hi Perf mode (versus 16 s flat stock). I didn't smoke like crazy off the line, nor does the truck blow smoke in general when getting into it out on the street.
In this respect, I think that the driveability and streetable performance of my tuner was better than his box. I would rather sacrifice a bit of ultimate performance rather than be driving around seriously overfueled all the time. Don't know what his EGTs were either.
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