67 fastback conversion
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67 fastback conversion
i was wondering if there is a car that i could steal discs from so i wont have to pay 1500 for the conversion. i have 4 wheel drums. i just want something to match up so i can get it for cheaper. any info on what car to get it from and where to get it would be awesome
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Are talking about 4 wheel disc conversion or just the front?
As Mark stated the Lincoln Versailles and Granadas used a 4 wheel disc set up that was a bolt in for the 65-6 Mustangs but I thought (I could be wrong) that the 67's and newer Mustangs had a wider differential housing. I think they will bolt in though and actually will give you more clearance for wider tires. As I said I am not 100% sure on this.
However as far as the fronts discs go. You can use 68 and newer Mustang calipers with a single pistion as opposed to using the 67 4 piston calipers. They are more readily available but you have to use the 68 or newer spindles also. If I remember correctly I think you may have to swap tie rod ends.
You can also use the calipers and spindles from the Granadas also.
I did a quick search on Google and found some links that describes the front conversion in more detail
http://www.vintage-mustang.com/topic...rumtodisk.html
http://www.mustangsplus.com/tech/granada/
http://www.woodyg.com/fairlane/finfo/drumtodisc.html
http://www.geocities.com/cping3/frontdisc.html
Here is a link for the rear conversion it is for a Maverick but it would apply to Mustangs also.
http://www.geocities.com/cping3/lincolnversailles.html
I love those Mustang fastbacks. I used to have a 67 GTA Fastback years ago.
As Mark stated the Lincoln Versailles and Granadas used a 4 wheel disc set up that was a bolt in for the 65-6 Mustangs but I thought (I could be wrong) that the 67's and newer Mustangs had a wider differential housing. I think they will bolt in though and actually will give you more clearance for wider tires. As I said I am not 100% sure on this.
However as far as the fronts discs go. You can use 68 and newer Mustang calipers with a single pistion as opposed to using the 67 4 piston calipers. They are more readily available but you have to use the 68 or newer spindles also. If I remember correctly I think you may have to swap tie rod ends.
You can also use the calipers and spindles from the Granadas also.
I did a quick search on Google and found some links that describes the front conversion in more detail
http://www.vintage-mustang.com/topic...rumtodisk.html
http://www.mustangsplus.com/tech/granada/
http://www.woodyg.com/fairlane/finfo/drumtodisc.html
http://www.geocities.com/cping3/frontdisc.html
Here is a link for the rear conversion it is for a Maverick but it would apply to Mustangs also.
http://www.geocities.com/cping3/lincolnversailles.html
I love those Mustang fastbacks. I used to have a 67 GTA Fastback years ago.
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Are you saying you have a 67 Mustang (fast back?) with four wheel drums and you want to add discs front and rear or are you talking about adding rear discs to a truck, which I would have to assume is a F-100, 1973 and under?
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yes i have a 67 mustang fastback and it has 4 wheel drums. i want 4 wheel discs. im in the process of completely restoring the whole thing and i learned from my dad that i need to do it right the first time, so im going all out on this car (im only 18 but ill drive her like a gramma, i just want to have available stopping power, and the look of discs)
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Being a truck site and I have only worked on Mustangs 1978 and up, here is what I suggest. Get a Mustang II front end, it will have discs and aftermarket support for that front end is very large. In a junkyard grab everything including the master cyl and port. valves.
Find a 9 inch rear end that fits your car and convert it to disc brakes. It can get rather spendy. Unless you are running big block power, I think a better option would be buying an Explorer 8.8 rear end that has rear discs already and then welding on the spring perches and shock mounts you need.
I have seen Mavericks with rear disc brakes. The axle width might be suitable for a Mustang, though it might be too light duty for a big V-8 since I am not sure if it is a 9 inch or not.
All the above suggestions should be 5 x 4.5 bolt pattern. What is your Mustang, same thing? Make sure you save ALL your old parts and label them in case you sell the car and someone wants to restore it to factory form. It will make the car easier to sell and worth more money.
Find a 9 inch rear end that fits your car and convert it to disc brakes. It can get rather spendy. Unless you are running big block power, I think a better option would be buying an Explorer 8.8 rear end that has rear discs already and then welding on the spring perches and shock mounts you need.
I have seen Mavericks with rear disc brakes. The axle width might be suitable for a Mustang, though it might be too light duty for a big V-8 since I am not sure if it is a 9 inch or not.
All the above suggestions should be 5 x 4.5 bolt pattern. What is your Mustang, same thing? Make sure you save ALL your old parts and label them in case you sell the car and someone wants to restore it to factory form. It will make the car easier to sell and worth more money.
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Mustang 4-wheel disc info
Freak,
I've got a 67 Mustang coupe, and I converted it from 4-wheel manual drum to 4-wheel power disc brakes, so I can tell you what you need to look for, and what you need to do. I didn't have anyone to help me when I did it, there are very few people that have done it, and most of the ones that have, they just bought the kit from SSBC, and the others didn't know or wouldn't tell me what I needed to do. There are a couple of different ways you could go, so please email me at mrfreeze@mchsi.com and we can discuss it.
Eric
p.s. I've actually got all of the parts you will need, if you can't find them or don't want to look for them. I'd be shipping them from Minnesota though, I don't know where you live.
I've got a 67 Mustang coupe, and I converted it from 4-wheel manual drum to 4-wheel power disc brakes, so I can tell you what you need to look for, and what you need to do. I didn't have anyone to help me when I did it, there are very few people that have done it, and most of the ones that have, they just bought the kit from SSBC, and the others didn't know or wouldn't tell me what I needed to do. There are a couple of different ways you could go, so please email me at mrfreeze@mchsi.com and we can discuss it.
Eric
p.s. I've actually got all of the parts you will need, if you can't find them or don't want to look for them. I'd be shipping them from Minnesota though, I don't know where you live.
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that would be awesome if you have all the parts. i live in central washington... they removed your email from your post so i cant email you quite yet... ill have to find i a different way of that messenger thing. even if you have to ship from minnesota, its better than trying to track down stuff myself. i have a hotmail account, so the first part is my_first_zippo and you can do the rest to figure it out. email me asap
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Jumping in here: I don't know if the kits from Stainless Steel Brakes etc are $1500. But beware of doing this on the cheap with used parts. Working drum brakes are better than failed discs. Of all the things to scrimp on, brakes are not one of them.
There are kits made up of later model Ford parts. Of course, you can go get these parts used, or buy the whole front end out from under a donor car. You are then responsible for rebuilding and checking the parts for safety.
The kit way should ensure you have everthing you need and that it's functional and safe.
As far as I know, this isn't a mix and match thing. It's all the parts, not just some, to make this work. Spindles, bearings, plus the brake parts. Plus the lines and master cylinder etc etc.
If your drums are working, save your nickles and dimes till you can do this correctly.
There are kits made up of later model Ford parts. Of course, you can go get these parts used, or buy the whole front end out from under a donor car. You are then responsible for rebuilding and checking the parts for safety.
The kit way should ensure you have everthing you need and that it's functional and safe.
As far as I know, this isn't a mix and match thing. It's all the parts, not just some, to make this work. Spindles, bearings, plus the brake parts. Plus the lines and master cylinder etc etc.
If your drums are working, save your nickles and dimes till you can do this correctly.
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once again, ignorance
i need to learn how brakes work a little more. if i know enough about it, ill know if i have the right parts to do it the right way and safely. know of anything that could explain it better? if anyone can explain it id go for that, or any sites that do it would be good too. the only reason i hate my drums is because they make the car pull to the right when i brake hard...not only that but my car is undergoing a complete restoration, and the wheels that i want wouldnt match up too well (the look anyway lol) with my drums. im gonna go with the ps engineering gt-40s, and discs will be way better. not only because this is a performance car, but i want everything to be how i want it to be. any info appreciated, thanks
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Originally Posted by 85e150six4mtod
Jumping in here: I don't know if the kits from Stainless Steel Brakes etc are $1500. But beware of doing this on the cheap with used parts. Working drum brakes are better than failed discs. Of all the things to scrimp on, brakes are not one of them. If your drums are working, save your nickles and dimes till you can do this correctly.
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