dan the profits also come to america not all the profits but some. Get it straight. They employ american workers and american workers get paid and spend their money in american stores why is that so hard to get through prejuduce minds like yours. All this rice this and rice that is upsetting when a 300hp wrx sti would whoop the pants off a vette (vettes are my dream cars but i'm saying this to make a point, c5-r please and a lemans entry form ). And cost a good deal less to boot. Not to mention a 280 hp g35 or a 350z why don't you rice that. Straight line perrormance that can actually take a curve and do it well. I'll be so glad when all the old timers die out and stop saying buy american only. I get so sick of it. Get a life let go of the past. I own japanese and american cars I have no biasness I buy what looks good. If you gave a japanese car a try you'd see what i'm talking about. So please let the useless prejudice against japanese fly out the window it's 2004.

Buy the way Honda has nothing to do with isuzu anymore because the reliablility of the honda passport was so poor. That's why the new honda suv boasts "built by honda" on the commercial.

 

Do you think the profits from overseas plants come to the US? They money is spent in the foreign nation for plant up grades and taxes there. Why send it to the US so you can pay another 40% in state and federal taxes? Then turn around and send it back overseas for R&D and plant expansion?

Wages paid here are spent here, profits made elsewhere stay elsewhere.

 

I am (almost) certain that Ford only owns 34% of Mazda, which by some silly Japanese law is considered a controlling interest.
So Ford controls Mazda, but only owns 34%.

 

You're arguing a different point, I never said Japanese cars weren't good. I just said that the sale of Japanese cars send profits back to Japan. I think Americans should buy American if we want to maintain a strong auto industry. We've lost so many other industries to other countries, so let's keep the ones we have. That's my opinion.

 

Not so fast there last i checked (3 seconds ago) the WRX STI did 0-60 in 4.9 seconds and the current corvette convertible (heavier than coupe) did 0-60 in 4.7 sec Thats not whooping the pant considering the fact that its slower. I dislike chevys so im sorry i had to defend them. So please let the useless prejudice against American cars fly out the window it's 2004

 

Doesnt Ford have their fingers in Volvo also...??

 

if you go to fords home page it clearly states its brands Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Mazda, Jaguar, Volvo, Land Rover, Aston Martin. Like was aid befor though Ford only owns 33 percent of mazda

 

Yep, last I heard they owned the Volvo car division but not the truck division. Go to www.ford.com and check out all the nameplates. Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Mazda, Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover, and Aston Martin.


GM is still bigger than Ford:

"The GM Group of global partners includes Fiat Auto SpA of Italy, Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd., Isuzu Motors Ltd. and Suzuki Motor Corp. of Japan, which are involved in various product, powertrain and purchasing collaborations. In addition, GM is the largest shareholder in GM Daewoo Auto & Technology Co. of South Korea. GM also has technology collaborations with BMW AG of Germany and Toyota Motor Corp. of Japan, and vehicle manufacturing ventures with several automakers around the world, including Toyota, Suzuki, Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp. of China, AVTOVAZ of Russia and Renault SA of France."

"GM's automotive brands are Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, Holden, HUMMER, Oldsmobile, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn and Vauxhall. In some countries, the GM Group distribution network also markets vehicles manufactured by GM Daewoo, Isuzu, Fuji (Subaru) and Suzuki."

So there's the lowdown...

 

Subaru is owned by Fuji Heavy Industries, which is 20% owned by GM, so whatever car you were going to argue for in that debate, was still kind of a chevy...

 

i was just making sure that holiday didnt get away with a flat out lie. nothing bothers me more than when people make up "facts" to make a point

 

I don't think a lot of the `global economy`. I think that other countries are preying on the naivity of Americans that want to export our industries because they think that since the workers are here that everything is hunky-dory, and that's simply not the case. You don't think Japan is laughing at every American that says it's ok to export jobs? Eventually, we'll all be working for foreign industries, and if they pull out of the country, then what are we going to have left?

 

when nissan was going belly up they were saved by Renault I believe. thats why I call the Titan "le truck". By the way, there is as much, if not more prejudice towards American cars as there is towards foreign (mainly Japanese cars). I don't have a problem with people who drive foreign cars but it makes me mad when they look down on you b/c you drive a domestic and tell you how much better their japanese car is and that you are some sort of backward redneck bigot b/c you want to support our auto industry (not that anyone on here has done that in this thread but I hear it frrom others).

 

Psssst: The new Ford 500 & Freestyle are based on a crossover Volvo platform, and have a mouse motor with no torque but maintain performance with either a german designed CVT or a 6 gear auto from a Toyota supplier, Aisin-Warner. I'm sure they are computer controlled.


(this ought to be like shooting a wasp's nest with a bb gun.....)


Pssst: One of the latest Saab models is really a Subaru in drag. Where do the profits go when GM sells a "Scandanavian" model which is really a Japanese car in the US?