Go ahead, I'll be the v-10 that flys by you towing a 7500# pound load.

 

Diesels powerfull, but not that powerfull.

 

I'll have to agree with johnsdiesel on that one. If the V-10 gas engine is so much better than a diesel, or any gas engine for that matter, why don't they put them in larger trucks (semis, straight trucks, commercial vehicles) that do a lot of pulling, I'd think they would want an engine that is lighter, faster and can out-pull anything else, but the only engine they put in them is a diesel. Must be a reason behind that... don't know??

 

The reason they choose diesel is because it is bascily idiot proof. You can mass produce it, and most people will be able to maintain it, and your right they last longer. However, a modded V-10 will still out perform the diesel for a much cheaper price.

 

It's obvious that you haven't done your research. It's much cheaper to modify a diesel than a gas engine to achieve the same HP. Simply adding propane adds about 80-100 HP at the rear wheels (not flywheel). As for your reasoning, the gas engines are mass produced to be idiotproof, not the diesel. The very nature of the diesel engine allows torque to occur at a lower RPM than even a modified V10 gasser.

Before you reply, please do some research and come back with facts.

 

I almost take that as an insult, "a diesel being idiot proof". But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't mean it that way. What I would consider idiot proof is those little 4 cylinder rice burners that you see screaming around town, I could take a wild guess that a very select few of them even know how to change the oil in their car, let alone do maintenance on it, and it's a gasser. If you have a V-10 that can out perform a diesel in the majority of tests (I say that because I know a V-10 will in no way get better fuel mileage than a diesel, and at a cheaper cost than a stock diesel) I would love to see it perform.

 

I did not mean it as in insult. I just ment that it would be hard for some idiot that did'nt know any better to ruin a diesel. Its a bulletproof engine, that all I'm saying. I guess my point really is why is the diesel so much more? Makes no sense, other than people will pay more for it. $5000 is alot of money. You can make your truck a serious screamer for that amount of cash.

Yes, the diesel is powerful, but all pride aside. A V-10 with a supercharger, chip, exahust,and trans mods, would be pumping out about 600-700 rear wheel HP. Thats one spectacular truck! Sure you could mod the diesel too, but then were tallking more money.

 

In order to put out more torque with the V10 you would have to spend more than the diesel option costs. Let's keep two things in mind, $5K is MSRP, not what most people pay. The V10 also costs an additional $800, so in reality the PSD is just over $4K more MSRP.

Even with mods, the V10 will not have the low end torque like the PSD and will not get the mileage either. I have a 4.10 gear ratio and usually average about 17 MPG with mixed driving. My best ever is 20 MPG. Several people are able to get up to 23 MPG. You will never come close to these numbers no matter what mods you have. If memory serves me correct, you are getting 11 MPG.

I know several people that have put no more than $2K into their diesel and they are making more than 1000 lb/ft of torque. I'd like to see a V10 do that for, let's see: $2000+$5000 diesel option (using MSRP which is inaccurate)-$800(V10 option)=$6200

 

Not to mention that if you build a V10 to compete with a diesel, you void your warranty.

 

When you add all these things to the V-10 it WILL move the peak torque and horsepower higher up in the RPM range. Yes, you might be able to pump 600-700hp out of it but how much of that will be usable for towing.

Is this in a drag race with both trucks unloaded? The V-10 will never be able to match the "low-end" torque of the diesel for the simple reason that the V-10 must rev higher to produce the same amount of hp/torque as the diesel. Low-end torque is what gets a heavy trailer moving not horsepower.

This one is hilarious You advocate buying the cheap V10 and then using the savings (from not purchasing the diesel) to buy add-ons that may allow the V10 to match the performance of the diesel. I think your going to find out that the supercharger you mentioned above is probably going to cost you somewhere between $2500-$4000 by itself, not to mention a $300+ chip. I'd don't see where you would be saving money here.

 

These diesel guys are worried about their warranty in their diesel knowing it cost $$$$ to repair. Around here in L.A. gas is less expensive than diesel by $0.20. Don't get me wrong I would go Ford Diesel too, but who wouldn't like a nice quiet purring engine starting up at 6:00 am in the morning and not waking up the family. Yes, diesel save gas and get you more mileage, don't you think we thought that when we purchased the gasser. In my opinion, yeah diesel last longer but it will be less expensive to modify the V10 to a roaring engine. You can do a lot more to a gasser than a diesel. just my two cents.

 

We are not being cheap in not buying a diesel. I would buy one. But now I'm a gas guzzler. I'd rather put in the modification to have a high reving horsepower engine. Who cares about low end when you don't tow. My opinion, I only use my V10 for off-roading so it all depends on what you want it for. That V10 offers more torque than any other gasser on the market. So i'll stick to my V10 and keep your loud and annoying rattling noises of a Diesel. My V10 is as smooth as a princess but.

 

600-700hp @ the wheels with a v10 ?
ROTFLMAO!

that is just rediculous.
vortech has a kit for a v10, give about 550hp @ the wlywheel, most are getting about 425hp @ the wheels with the e40d trans (4r100, whatever ya wanna call it).....now, that is nothing to sneeze at mind you, but to get a supercharged gasser to work, and drive perfectly, you need a custom burned chip, and quite a few options in addition to the standard kit....such as a water to air intercooler, .... now your talking ~6k for the whole shootin match, assuming you install it yourself.
next, your 5-6mpg around town truck, and ~ 9-11mpg on the highway truck has to run on PREMIUM unleaded fuel!!!!!

now, lets say you do all this, your in the v10 for at least 1k more than the psd, you have LESS torque at the wheels, 40-50% LOWER fuel milage, and have to run fuel that is at least 25 cents a gallon more than diesel (and in my neck of the woods, diesel is 2.13/gallon. super unleaded is 2.39/gallon......

last thought, no way on earth your getting 600-700hp at the wheels from a v10, no matter what you bolt on to it! the PM rods will NOT handle it, the fragile hypereutectic piston will NOT handle it, the crank, the TTY headbolts.....the list goes on. fwiw, 700 at the wheel is close to 850hp at the flywheel, and you would need ~55-65lb/hr fuel injectors, and a couple of 300lph fuel pumps to fuel the thing.

 

Well, I've went 190,000 miles so far and never needed a warranty and I don't have any indication that I ever will need one. In Memphis, diesel can be as much as $0.34 cheaper than gas. I'm sure you V10 guys have your reasons for this but I'm going to ask it anyway, why purchase a 7000+lbs. vehicle and try to make a high-revving drag racer out of it?

 

SuperDutyHaulin:
Take out your caluclator and do the math. Lets say at 300K miles, see if the cost of diesel along with the mileage pays back the 4k cost of the diesel. I've been looking for a 98-02 PSD 4x4 and the dealers cant keep them in stock. they are also giving away the V-10's people are trading in for them. I could easily buy a V-10 but i couldnt be able to feed it. Also, take a look at what they are going for:two identical trucks but one with a PSD and one with a V-10-the diesel is going to be worth 5 k more.
my 2 cents