I once walked 4 miles up hill in the snow to get to school with my nike's. Switched to reeboks, and I got blisters at 2 miles. What pieces of crap them damn things were.

Ohh wait this is a Ford gloating thread. Hate it when that happens. A little prozac will set me straight.

 

Both are great engines. I drive a Ford F350 4x4 with PSD and am building (2) 300 HP Cummins 6BTA's for my boat. Never seen a navistar in a boat.

Rich

 

SeaRay offers twin PSD's in some of their I/O's... almost got my 290 that way... but since we wanted it be able to tow the boat the extra weight and the fact many lakes don't have diesel fuel available... we went twin gas 5.0L v8's

I won't lie either... by the time the rest of the boat added up that extra 10,000.00 for diesels was just not what I wanted to do.

Also... the 290 engine compartment is CRAMPED... almost impossible for non acrobats to work on... I can only imagine twin PSD's sitting in there.

Robert

 

If you want to try to say a Stroker is better than a Cummins, dont say it is more reliable and lasts longer. Powerstrokes are good engines with more power than Cummins, but they simply dont last as long. A Cummins has 40% fewer parts and the internal engine parts are much heavier and larger. I have heard of many Powerstrokes and especially older 7.3s going out with under 150000 miles on them, and having many small troubles until then. I have never heard of a cummins needing replacement, maybe a rebuild at the upper of 300000 miles. The new Dodge heavy duties will run the same engine, with some technological upgrades, making about 305 hp and 555 lb/ft of torque. Ford needed to get a new design, which will probably be much better. They're a semi truck engine in a pickup. Niether Ford or chevy has made a more durable engine to date.

 

The reason dodge sticks with the 6cyl design is that can fit more cubes in a smaller area.From all my experience the more u squeeze out of an engine the less reliable it is.Ford isnt squeezing that much out of there engines thats why i see them cummins broke down on the road!

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 30-Aug-02 AT 07:00 PM (EST)]Like all things, both Dodge and Cummins have thier repective plusses and minuses. I ran a cummins engine in the 32,000# straight truck I drove for 5 years in innercity traffic and in all weather conditions and in 200,000 miles it never developed a single problem.

But do I want said engine in my pickup? A pickup made by Dodge? Nope....


I think that the right engine in the right application is a good thing. I do not like the Dodge trucks, or chev for that matter. like a previous post stated, you see more of them on the side of the road than Fords.

Without a doubt, Cummins makes a very strong engine, but the one I would have in my ford truck would barly fit in the box!forget getting it under the hood. if it did get shoehorned in there, it would look like somthing Chuck Barris dreamed up back in the 1960's with the top of the engine sticking up in front of the windshield.

Hey! now there's an idea! I'd call it Frankenford!

 

What your probly seeing is Dodges with burnt up auto trannys. That happens alot. That is what much uf the warranty work consists of.

 

After reading all these posts, I wonder how hard it would be to adapt a Cummins for marine use? Particularly since I am not looking for speed but for longevity and reliability. Something I will have to explore. Can I take an engine from a wrecked Dodge and make it work. Sounds like a fun project.

 

i have driven both, the psd and cummins both make good reliable power, although the cummins can be built to make more power cheaper, and the motor can stand up to more power than the psd, my dream would be to be able to buy a superduty from ford, with a cummins engine in it

 

from my own mouth:P I've had a 97 ram 1500 318 auto bought back by Chrysler in 99 with 23000 miles for excessive non-conformaty.(did i spell that right?). had a 99 ram 2500 cummins bought back by chrysler in 99 "lemon law". had a 2000 ram HD 2500 cummins bought back by chrysler in 2001 with 20000 miles for substaintial non-compliance. still have my 2000 250PSD in the driveway with 70000 miles but it's had it's fair share of problems too..have to change oil, have to fill washer fluid bottle sometimes,had to buy new tires last month, had to replace wiper blades. and almost forgot the big problem.....I have to fill the fuel tank every 600 miles or so.... I love the look of the "old" ram( hate the new) but I work construction and when my truck is broke I'm broke. with Dodge I lost over $15,000 in downtime while the junkers were in the shop, mostly trannys but there were alot of other problems too. plus with the super-duty I get alot more compliments on my truck. will never ever try Dodge again.

 

I agree that each engine has its highs and lows and associating a particular motor and its problems to a manufacturer is not correct when comparing or in this case unjustly ripping on different independently manufactured motors you must consider all factors. The fact that dodges are on the side of the road is a dodge problem just like a ford on the side of the road is probably a ford problem not Navistar or Cummins, these two engines have impecible service records in HD equiptment vehicles. As to power and size the cummins factory produces up to 370HP in a marine application and for it's size it is not much smaller than the new 6.0 PSD another factor to consider is Dodge has to turn the motors down so that idiots who cannot drive a diesel properly dont flood them with warranty work. Also the above individual is correct when he says that it is all based on application and driving style, a PSD works well with an automatic or a 6spd the cummins has a shorter power band hence the need for more shifting and higher speed gears.
A diesel motor performs best when the gearing, tire size and loading characteristics are matched to the machine.

This also prompts another thought in my mind about when the DOT is going to start requiring special licenses and permits on domestic vehicles hauling 30000#'s with a rig not capible of controlling or stopping that load in a panic scenario. Granted thier are professionals who do it properly or get an Executive class rig for moving excessive amounts of weight. I think common sense all is a factor in how long a vehicle lasts.

Anyways i realize this is a bunch of mumblings but i get a little irritated when people turn vehicles into one is better than the other just because. It is all based on individual preferences and demands. My old PSD was fine in town but i preffer the 5.9 for long term constant operation. the power is nearly the same the cummins that i have now has a Torque curver that is about 150 ft/lb's higher than my turned up PSD had but doesnt have the RPM's and HP that the PSD offered. So it is a compromise that the operator must adjust to.



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F-350 4x4 ext cab Short Bed Green Monster, it is now Sporting a 300HP 715lb/ft Dyno rated 5.9L 12v Cummins diesel w/ NV4500 5spd and custom NP205 ford T-case w/ rear spicer 1410 yoke, Converted to Sterling 10.5 gears w/3.73 gears using the 41 spline pinion and 1410 U-Joints, Power-Lok equipt Dana 60 front, 33's on 16x8" Outlaw II's. (Used to have)205000 miles, Mass air 460 w/ performance heads and a E40d to 5spd conversion and Doug Thorleys. Old EFI 460 @10 MPG to the 12 V @ 23.2 MPG @ 75 MPH and loving it.
My other toy is a '69 CJ-5 354 Hemi 4 spd 4.88's 32x12.50 MThompsons w/ power-lok 44 rear.

 

>my dream would be to be able to buy a
>superduty from ford, with a cummins engine in it
If you don't mind getting a F650 you can have a cummins right from ford.

I personaly don't care too much for the cummins that dodge uses in their trucks. (oops I said the D word) Allthough I havn't driven one of them D**** trucks my bus or my company car has that same motor with one plus over D****, it has the allison tranny. Unfortunately it is governd at 70 and is geared for pulling so it takes off slow. On another plus being set up that way it won't take out the tranny.

 

Well gentlemen this has made for some very good reading

But you see I have owned booth, worked booth, and I must say the PSD is the baddest of the baddest.

I drive with aproximate 1000lbs in the bed 24/7, and tow as much as 9000lbs in addition to that. The 2001 dodge, 5.9 cummins, 5 speed, could not handle the load. Gears were the main problem, on a major grade you either hit the bottom of the hill at 70mph or you got drug back to 35mph with the motor screaming it's guts out. If you tried to shift up it would peter out in a few short yards, and back to 3rd we went.

Now my new 2002 PSD F250, is bad to the bone, same hill, same load, gain speed anytime anywhere, cruise comfortable while climbing the grade or drop the hammer and go!!

The PSD does have an auto tranny, but dodge can't build one and their gears are all wrong for a serious tow job. Besides the ford just looks better!!

And gas milage, well the dodge got maybe 1 or 2 Mpg better, on the average but a lot worse on those bad hill days!!

But the real trouble with the dodge, if you ever screw-up and buy one you better love it because nobody will buy it from you! The trade value on the dodge is pure garbage!!

Never again will dodge sucker me into one of their products!! And yes this is one mans opinion! But it matters to me!!

 

I think that all of the new diesel have their problems Powerstroke included, but from my experience the PSD does the best in construction. We have two Cummins and they do fine but not as good as the Fords. We have one Duramax and it seems to do fine except the absolute zero ground clearance that Chevy gives it gets it high centered on a damn speed bump. Asides that well see how it does, I'm not going to slam anything until it gives me a problem. Late

 

Ck this site out http://www.fordcummins.com/



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