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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 09:54 AM
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351M/400M trany bolt pattern?

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I've been storing a buddy's engine for four years now he's moved three times now. Anyway it's a 351M/400M on the valve cover. Will this motor bolt up to a 302's bellhousing? Can i use the 302 flywheel? How do i tell if it's 351 or 400. All i know is its out of a bronco.

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Old Apr 10, 2004 | 02:06 AM
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No, it will not bolt up to a 302. The only pattern that matches it is the 429/460.

The only way to tell a 351M from a 400 is to pull the head and measure the stroke, or pull the oil pan and reference the crank number. I don't have specific info on the crank number, but there are enough posts here about it to find it easily using search.
 
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Old Apr 10, 2004 | 09:46 AM
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Thank you.

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Old Apr 10, 2004 | 10:11 AM
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the crank is stamped with the number 5m, 5ma, or 5mab. it is near the very front of the motor. hope that helps.
 
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Old Apr 10, 2004 | 10:20 AM
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If it's a 351M it'll have a 1K cast into it.
 
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Old Apr 10, 2004 | 10:22 AM
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or it will have 4m, 4ma, 4mab. thats imo the easyest way to tell them apart.
 
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Old Apr 10, 2004 | 11:11 AM
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4M, 4MA castings are 351C cranks.
 
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Old Apr 10, 2004 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by scroob
No, it will not bolt up to a 302. The only pattern that matches it is the 429/460.
Golly, Scroob. You don't know whether it will bolt up to a small block bellhousing or not. Your information is just plain wrong. Now the guy's gone and he's got bad information.
 
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Old Apr 10, 2004 | 02:00 PM
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If it's a 351M/400 it certainly won't bolt up to a 302 bellhousing.
 
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Old Apr 10, 2004 | 03:19 PM
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"Golly, Scroob. You don't know whether it will bolt up to a small block bellhousing or not. Your information is just plain wrong. Now the guy's gone and he's got bad information."

What in the *&^% are you talking about? I PLAINLY said that it WILL NOT bolt up to a small block.
 
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Old Apr 10, 2004 | 03:33 PM
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Guys, there was at least one year, maybe two, that the 400 was made with a small block bellhousing pattern. I thought everybody know this, but apparently not.

Edit: 1973 400 with casting number D3AE-B is the magic number. Maybe the guy who was saving the engine knew he had the oddball 400 with the small block bellhousing pattern.
 

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Old Apr 10, 2004 | 04:10 PM
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Guys, there was at least one year, maybe two, that the 400 was made with a small block bellhousing pattern. I thought everybody know this, but apparently not.

Edit: 1973 400 with casting number D3AE-B is the magic number. Maybe the guy who was saving the engine knew he had the oddball 400 with the small block bellhousing pattern.
Huuuummmmm, don't bust someones ***** over the FMX block. Those are very few and very far between. In all likelihood, it's a standard M-block that he has. And by the way, D3AE is NOT the only casting number. My block is a D1AE and I'm about to buy a 2nd D1AE block.

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The 400 FMX was a 1 year only option, that year being 1973. The 351M didn't come out until 1975, so there never was a 351M FMX block. Since the valve covers say 351M/400 and it's highly unlikely that FoMoCo was thinking far enough ahead to label the engine with a designation prior to it's existence, I'd say the chances of it being a 400 FMX block are slim & none.
 
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