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Old Apr 8, 2004 | 04:07 PM
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I let my brother take the X to run an errand and he says that something is seriously wrong with it. He said he was driving along, saw one of the boyz and stomped on it to catch up with him. When he did, the RPMs jumped up to 3200 and the X didn't go anywhere! He said it belched out a HUGE cloud of black smoke then took off like a scared cat. It was almost as if the engine or the turbo froze and then decided to go. What is going on?!?



I will post some pics of the turbo in my gallery. Please let me know if this is what the inside of it is supposed to look like. Thanks.
 

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The pics are up, but the camera died before I could get a pic of the turbo blades. The edges of the blades look as if they had been sanded or worn down. Is this normal or do I have a problem on my hands?
 
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Old Apr 8, 2004 | 04:42 PM
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Does he have a K&N air filter?
 
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Old Apr 8, 2004 | 05:14 PM
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Not to beat around the bush or anything, but what happens if I do have one? And if I don't have one? I know that the K&N filter causes a few problems, but what am I looking at here? New turbo blades or a whole new turbo?
 
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It sounds like dust has gotten past the air intake with that kind of turbo damage. K&N can cause dusting and so can an airbox that isn't sealing properly.
 
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Thanks for your replys John, but I'm curious...How or better yet why does the K&N cause damage? and How can I seal air box tighter?
 
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I've heard of some people having good seals with the K&N and the stock airbox, but based on my own personal experience, I wouldn't use one. Mine wouldn't seal right, and there was a considerable amount of dust(enough to feel gritty) inside the intake duct. I couldn't get it to seal right using two different filters, and the airflow with the stock box is pretty constrictive, so I dumped the stock setup for a Tymar. If you're under warranty, stick a stock filter back in there, and take it to the dealer and have them fix it. If not, bite the bullet, get the turbo repaired (or get a Garrett GTP38R Ball bearing turbo) and get an open element filter and dump the stock intake. Just my .02.

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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 10:39 AM
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Thanks for your replys John, but I'm curious...How or better yet why does the K&N cause damage? and How can I seal air box tighter?
The factory airbox is junk and you are better off replacing it. As for the K&N, they don't filter as well as paper filters. Although they tend to work OK in non-turbo engines, they aren't the best option for a turbo diesel. The force is too much for the filter to handle, properly oiled or not. This is why the majority of people who own PSD's will not run a K&N filter. If you do have one I would recommend junking it. Think about this, K&N promises decreased restriction with their drop-in air filters. The only way to decrease restriction over the same surface area is to decrease filtration. Decreased filtration translates into more dust getting into the engine. That's why the Tymar and AIS are so popular. They use larger paper filters in order to decrease restriction without decreasing filtration. I'm sure some of the loyal K&N users will chime in here, but this is a primary example of why not to use a K&N on these engines. I'm assuming since you didn't really answer my question about whether or not you run a K&N that you are running one.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 11:05 AM
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John, I didn't give you a proper answer to your question because I didn't want a too much of a biased answer. To be more precise, you gave me the answer I was looking for. So I think I will end up burning that K&N filter and getting a paper filter. Not to insult AFE, but does their intake have the same effect as the K&N?
 
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Are you under warranty? If so you might want to check into the AIS. If not, the Tymar is a great setup. Cost isn't that high and replacements filters can be as little as $19. AFE is better than the K&N, but I don't like reusable filters.
 
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Originally Posted by basstardo
I've heard of some people having good seals with the K&N and the stock airbox, but based on my own personal experience, I wouldn't use one. Mine wouldn't seal right, and there was a considerable amount of dust(enough to feel gritty) inside the intake duct. I couldn't get it to seal right using two different filters, and the airflow with the stock box is pretty constrictive, so I dumped the stock setup for a Tymar. If you're under warranty, stick a stock filter back in there, and take it to the dealer and have them fix it. If not, bite the bullet, get the turbo repaired (or get a Garrett GTP38R Ball bearing turbo) and get an open element filter and dump the stock intake. Just my .02.

Terry
As I've said before, I am going to get rid of that filter and get a new paper filter or perhaps an intake. This filter has caused me a little too much trouble. I really can't afford to fix the turbo right now, much less for get a new one. I remember reading in my manual that the engine is covered by a 100,000 mile warranty. I'm hoping that I can use that to my advantage and get the turbo fixed. I haven't read it recently, but would it be possible for me to do that?
 
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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 11:14 AM
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It comes down to what you think is ethical. I personally don't think it is ethical to return a vehicle to stock to get damage covered under warranty. Ford would surely determine that the filter was the cause of the damage. You could put a paper filter in and take it in for service, but that's your judgement call.
 
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Originally Posted by johnsdiesel
Are you under warranty? If so you might want to check into the AIS. If not, the Tymar is a great setup. Cost isn't that high and replacements filters can be as little as $19. AFE is better than the K&N, but I don't like reusable filters.
My vehicle isn't under warranty becuase I didn't go for the 5 year/100,000 mile warranty. Believe me I've been really kicking myself about it. I honestly regret not getting it. The only things that are under some sort of warranty are the engine with it's own 5 year/100,000 mi.(according to the Powerstroke manual) and the rust warranty with 60 months and unlimited mileage. Inspite of what this filter has done, how much am I looking at to fix my turbo? Can I just replace the blades and let that be that? This is my fault for getting and not knowing the damage that it causes. Does K&N ever recommend not using it on a Turbocharged diesel engine?
 

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It is possible, but reread my previous post.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 11:27 AM
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Well, I'm a really ethical kind of guy, so I'm not going to cheat just to get my truck fixed. Even though this is entirely my fault, I was hoping that I could pay for part of the repair or work out some kind of deal. Or is the warranty completely void altogether? My guess is that I'm either looking at a whole new turbo or atleast $800 in repairs. Are my estimates valid?
 

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