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Old Mar 26, 2004 | 09:21 AM
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propane on 460 ?

propane has 100 -110 octane if you bump up the c.ratio would this be a good combo for more power than pump gas? just wondering if anyone has tried this?
 
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Old Mar 27, 2004 | 01:41 AM
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Never heard of using propane on a gas engine. You can on diesels
 
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Old Mar 27, 2004 | 04:09 AM
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Yes it will give you more power if you bump the compression significantly. The problem is most people who use propane set up a duel fuel system which drastically limits the amount of compression you can run with pump gas as your alternate fuel. If I were to run just propane I'd put my compression up around 12.5 to 13 : 1 ratio

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Old Mar 29, 2004 | 07:53 PM
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I have a question. Would the propane give the same drivability as gas and what would be involved in the conversion. In any case I bet the tree-huggin hippies would like it for the emmision issue.
 
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Old Mar 30, 2004 | 04:17 AM
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Your going to need a regulator, propane carburator, large propane fuel tank, various lengths of high-pressure hose. I'd contact one of your propane suppliers in a large city...they should have the info you need.

I used to work alot on propane powered forklifts at a sawmill/plywood plant. The only problem I saw from running propane (besides about a 10% loss in power if you don't raise your compression) is that the regulators would on rare occasion freeze up and stop fuel flow to the carb. The propane regulators use engine coolant to heat the regulator but the water passages are fairly small and can plug-up if your cooling system is not clean and up to par.

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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 07:54 PM
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Check this out:

http://www.prins-lpg.com/en/news/polen.html
 
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 10:59 PM
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I've Seen A Twin Turbo Natural Gas Engine And It Made Nearly 1.5 Hp Per Ci. Only Bad Part Is It Takes A Lot More Money To Get These Gains Than You Could With Gasoline. You Would Think That With Emissions Standards Cng Would Catch On, But That Would Put A Cramp In Gasoline Sales. Therefore.....ain't Happenin'
 
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Old Jul 25, 2004 | 03:37 AM
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I am currently building a 460 to run on propane at the moment.

The compression ratio's (12-13.5) sound high but it depends on the mix of Propane/Butane (the more Butane the higher the octane)
Here in Australia the max compression is around 11:1.

I am trying to decide to run a pair vapor mixers or the lpg injection computer I have.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2006 | 08:15 PM
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propane on 460

Propane does not have as much BTU content as gasoline, only about 85%, so there is s reduction on power. guy at work has a motorhome with a 460, dual fuel conversion on it. He says not bad on the level but slows down on hills and rather pokey tp pass anything. Higher fuel consumption on propane, but offeset by lower fuel costs. Conversion equpment arounf $1500 so gotta do a lot of drving to make it up, even though emissions lower and easier on engine overall. Also does not start and run well in cold weather. Hope this helsp
 
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Old Jun 5, 2006 | 10:56 PM
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it will run but the valves wear fast .the replacement valves for lp retail for 45 bucks each. have seen alot of head rebuilds on lp.but the oil is always clean.like new.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2006 | 11:39 PM
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Good quality stainless valves on Stellite or equivalent seat inserts will last forever as long as the mixer and ignition timing are set up properly.
With propane, the demon is elevated exhaust temps.
 
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DeenHylton
If I were to run just propane I'd put my compression up around 12.5 to 13 : 1 ratio

*cough* supercharger *cough*.
 
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 10:51 AM
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it will run but the valves wear fast .the replacement valves for lp retail for 45 bucks each. have seen alot of head rebuilds on lp.but the oil is always clean.like new.
My understanding was that this was due to people running propane on old heads which didn't have hardened seats and were meant to be run on leaded gas. This being the case they would have worn just as quickly with modern gas provided you weren't using a lead substitute.
 
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