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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 03:31 PM
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361ci fe?

i bought a 72 f250 4x4 a few weeks back i was told it was a 361 with a steel crank (not forged) the person said it did'nt have the same firing order as a fe (352,360,390 ect.) besides firing order is there anyway i can find out what i have?

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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 04:39 PM
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A lot of conflicting info!! The 361 is a FT engine with a forged crank and larger front snout. I have a few casting #'s for the FT try posting head, intake casting #. I can't find anything about diff firing orders? How many valve cover bolts?
 
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 06:08 PM
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With the different firing order, it sounds like it might be the 351W. Not sure why Ford gave it a different firing order than its smaller brother, the 302.

Like the previous poster said, give us a valve cover bolt count, and someone should be able to narrow it down to at least an engine family.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 07:06 PM
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I've heard two stories for the changed firing order. One is that the 7-8 encouraged crossfire and burned exhaust valves. The other is the 1-5 hits the first rod journal hard enough to eventually crack it. Funny the FE's had no problem.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 08:28 PM
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I could maybe understand the cross-fire issue, but I don't buy the crank breakage on 1-5 as being an issue on the FE/302 firing order. The 351W firing order is 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8. Wouldn't crank breakage be a concern just the same on 4-8?
 
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 11:45 PM
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I also have always wondered about the changed firing order! I heard to reduce loading on the #1 main journal.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2004 | 05:50 AM
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i'll check it out tonite and post my findings

thanks again hytech
 
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Old Feb 19, 2004 | 08:19 AM
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i have never seen the h.d. truck engine in a light truck before.but there was never any reason why you couldn,t.it will indeed have a forged crank and a lot of other h.d.parts.it will have pulling power rather than speed.low comp,heads small valves etc.i have never heard of a different firing order.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2004 | 01:09 PM
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I've heard the 351W firing order was to reduce vibration.

Then, Ford used the same cam in the 5.0 HO, giving it the 351W firing order - go figure...
 
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Old Feb 19, 2004 | 05:53 PM
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the 361 if thats what you have is a heavy duty version of the 360 which means it should be one tough engine. it was probably transplanted from a f350 or more.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2004 | 10:20 AM
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Krewat, the 302 firing order changed in '82 when Ford dropped in the 2V Marine cam into the 5.0 H.O. Tha cam was almost 10 years old!

(Sorry Sean for all the small block talk)
 
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Old Feb 20, 2004 | 11:36 AM
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Krewat, the 302 firing order changed in '82 when Ford dropped in the 2V Marine cam into the 5.0 H.O. Tha cam was almost 10 years old!

(Sorry Sean for all the small block talk)
I've had some experience in the marine side of things, and I think they used the 351W cam in the marine motors for power, low-end, something, hence why I said they dropped the 351W cam in the 5.0HO... taking a verbal shortcut...

That "marine 302 cam" with the weird firing order was a 351W cam from the get go... I think

We're all talking rumors here anyway... I'll shut up now
 
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Yes the Marine cam was 351W cam, I took a verbal shortcut too. I've also heard it referred to as the Lightning cam.

The 4V Marine cam was also the 5.8L Police cam.

The part #'s were:

2V - D3OE-6250-AA

4V - D2JE-6250-BA (the "J" is a Marine part)

Ok, I'm gonna let it go before we get shipped to the small block folks.
 

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Hytech:

Look on the intake manifold for the firing order. If it's 15426378 you could have an FE or FT. Additionally, look at where the crank snout sticks out of the block. If the block extends below the centerline of the crank, you've probably got an FE or FT.
 
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Old Feb 21, 2004 | 08:08 AM
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thanks for all the input guys i have to dig it out after work today
,got hammered last nite with snow, good thing i have my 67' f250
walks right thur that $*#@, i'll post my findings tonite

thanks again hytech
 
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