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Pennzoil-Quaker State doesn't even make oil filters. The yellow Pennzoil and green Quaker State oil filters are made by FRAM. Quaker State's filters were made by Purolator a while back, but when they became part of Pennzoil, their oil filters also became part of Pennzoil. So thats how it came to be FRAM.
Anyway the SuperTech filters are made by Champion Labs and the box even says "tested by Champion Labs" and they look identical to Champ or Bosch oil filters. They don't have very many pleats in the filter media though.
BTW Does the SuperTech oil really turn black really fast like a lot of people say?
Anyway the SuperTech filters are made by Champion Labs and the box even says "tested by Champion Labs" and they look identical to Champ or Bosch oil filters. They don't have very many pleats in the filter media though.
BTW Does the SuperTech oil really turn black really fast like a lot of people say?
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there was IMO a Large flaw in the NYC cab test. The cabs kept running more or less 24/7 and were not subjected to "heat sink" and cold engine start cycles. The test was i think a great test for an engine that was started on day one and run continously night and day until the oil change interval requirement was met but those test conditions are not indicative of normal consumer operating conditions. Having said that, i generally agree with jschira in that the fancy oil brands do not necessarily mean longer engine life. I do believe the better oil filters (motorcraft) make a difference and for sure a properly rated oil that is changed at 3,000 miles makes all the difference. A good filter is especially important where the engine needs a good anti drain back valve. the valves in the cheapo filters are often crap, and that is very important if the filter is mounted horizontally.
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Originally posted by 03f150man
there was IMO a Large flaw in the NYC cab test. The cabs kept running more or less 24/7 and were not subjected to "heat sink" and cold engine start cycles. The test was i think a great test for an engine that was started on day one and run continously night and day until the oil change interval requirement was met but those test conditions are not indicative of normal consumer operating conditions.
there was IMO a Large flaw in the NYC cab test. The cabs kept running more or less 24/7 and were not subjected to "heat sink" and cold engine start cycles. The test was i think a great test for an engine that was started on day one and run continously night and day until the oil change interval requirement was met but those test conditions are not indicative of normal consumer operating conditions.
Cold start and stops increase sludge, which forms when the oil does not get hot enough to evaporate off the water that condenses in the engine. In the CR tests, the amount of sludge was so minimal, that CR concluded that none of the oils would have a sludge problem, even in cold start/stop conditions.
A good filter is especially important where the engine needs a good anti drain back valve. the valves in the cheapo filters are often crap, and that is very important if the filter is mounted horizontally.
All filters metting OEM requirement will filter 100% 40 microns and above. That is all the engine manufacturers require. Most will filter some % down to 10 microns.
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That test is good or bad depending on how you look at it. My truck is not a cab so I would have to define their findings as inconclusive. I remember reading the article and remember them admitting that this was not a perfect test. The test is not useless though it did show us that under constant use many oils have similar performance.
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Originally posted by BlueRanger94
That test is good or bad depending on how you look at it. My truck is not a cab so I would have to define their findings as inconclusive. I remember reading the article and remember them admitting that this was not a perfect test. The test is not useless though it did show us that under constant use many oils have similar performance.
That test is good or bad depending on how you look at it. My truck is not a cab so I would have to define their findings as inconclusive. I remember reading the article and remember them admitting that this was not a perfect test. The test is not useless though it did show us that under constant use many oils have similar performance.
Well, you can't simulate every driving condition in one test. CR picked the most grueling conditions that they could find, and the conditions that engine and oil manufacturers consider the most severe conditions for their products.
So, to the extent that CR only tested one type of use, it was the most tortuous test that they could run. All the oils performed similarly. No oil stood out as being particularly good, nor particularly bad. They were all vanilla. Like kissing your sister. A tie.
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Originally Posted by jschira
I run SuperTech in my gassers, but not in my PSD. I found something even cheaper than ST for the PSD! 
But I understand the decision, and paying an extra $0.50/qt. for 4 quarts 2-3 times a year is not that big a deal. A couple of happy meals.
It's good to have choices.
But I understand the decision, and paying an extra $0.50/qt. for 4 quarts 2-3 times a year is not that big a deal. A couple of happy meals.
It's good to have choices.
Do tell...what is your cheaper option???
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I need to know if there is going to be a problem changing my Oil from 5/20 to 10/30. San Antonio, TX. 17K miles.
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Originally Posted by gtm245
Pennzoil is a dull tasting oil. If you want a rich, full-bodied oil try the Castrol GTX or Mobil Drive Clean. Your taste buds will be in heaven!
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Originally Posted by Cape Guy
I honestly think that Super Tech filters are made by Bosch. Compare them side by side and you will see the same stamping numbers on the faces. Coincedence? I think not.
Ditto STP.
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I use Super Tech oil in 3 vehichles over 100K. Faithfuly change every 3500 with filter. Holds up great. Half the price of most oils out there. Have NEVER seen it darker then honey brown. I believe it to be a Quaker State product.
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Originally Posted by jschira
No. Not any more. It used to be.
It's made by two companies now and which one you get depends on where you live .
Exxon/Mobil makes one of them and thats for certain as in no rumor to it
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Originally Posted by gtm245
Pennzoil-Quaker State doesn't even make oil filters. The yellow Pennzoil and green Quaker State oil filters are made by FRAM. Quaker State's filters were made by Purolator a while back, but when they became part of Pennzoil, their oil filters also became part of Pennzoil. So thats how it came to be FRAM.
Anyway the SuperTech filters are made by Champion Labs and the box even says "tested by Champion Labs" and they look identical to Champ or Bosch oil filters. They don't have very many pleats in the filter media though.
BTW Does the SuperTech oil really turn black really fast like a lot of people say?
Anyway the SuperTech filters are made by Champion Labs and the box even says "tested by Champion Labs" and they look identical to Champ or Bosch oil filters. They don't have very many pleats in the filter media though.
BTW Does the SuperTech oil really turn black really fast like a lot of people say?
One time, I ran some 10-40 ST in my 66 and a ST filter. The oil was dirty within a week, im talking black as night. I never ran it again, from now on its puroleater oil fitlers and mystick oil for me. Diesel rated oils are the best out there, way more additives and detergents then SL rated oil.