No WMD
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From: Lenexa, KS
Originally posted by The Don
I agree with the Presidents decision to invade Iraq, whether there were WMD's or not.
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The Don
I agree with the Presidents decision to invade Iraq, whether there were WMD's or not.
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The Don
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From: The County
I'd like to know if Bush used bad judgement by invading Iraq before getting other countrys to join in the war.It seems it wasn't necessary to rush in without consensous on the invasion.What happens next time something like this happens?Do we just take it upon ourselves to invade other countrys because we think they are up to something?Korea is a bigger threat than Iraq,yet we let China deal with them.
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Originally posted by Mil1ion
Saddam & his Sons were WMD.
that is good enough for me
Saddam & his Sons were WMD.
that is good enough for me
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From: The County
Originally posted by 1956MarkII
The only effective foreign policy is a CONSISTENT foreign policy. If it's now our job to get rid of the bad guys, how do we justify stopping with Iraq? What about Cuba? Libya? North Korea? Paraguay? Tibet? Syria? Saudi Arabia? Almost ANY African nation? When do we go in and get rid of these "bad guys" because of the way they treat THEIR people? If we do stop at Iraq, then there is no justification for what W. did. At least he knows that if he doesn't get re-elected, he'll make a hell of an Amway salesman. If he can sell Americans on the need to go to war with Iraq, he can sell ANYTHING!!
The only effective foreign policy is a CONSISTENT foreign policy. If it's now our job to get rid of the bad guys, how do we justify stopping with Iraq? What about Cuba? Libya? North Korea? Paraguay? Tibet? Syria? Saudi Arabia? Almost ANY African nation? When do we go in and get rid of these "bad guys" because of the way they treat THEIR people? If we do stop at Iraq, then there is no justification for what W. did. At least he knows that if he doesn't get re-elected, he'll make a hell of an Amway salesman. If he can sell Americans on the need to go to war with Iraq, he can sell ANYTHING!!
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I was just being assinine (obviously) before.
JSKUFAN: you said it all.
"Either our intelligence is completely unreliable or somebody made a conscientious effort to overemphasize the data. Either way, I'd like to see more accurate information from my government before they start any more wars."
Good thing there's so many "bad guy" countries left in the world for our obese governmental machine. Otherwise it just might have to go all out on us in earnest.
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JSKUFAN: you said it all.
"Either our intelligence is completely unreliable or somebody made a conscientious effort to overemphasize the data. Either way, I'd like to see more accurate information from my government before they start any more wars."
Good thing there's so many "bad guy" countries left in the world for our obese governmental machine. Otherwise it just might have to go all out on us in earnest.
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Originally posted by 1956MarkII
The only effective foreign policy is a CONSISTENT foreign policy. If it's now our job to get rid of the bad guys, how do we justify stopping with Iraq? What about Cuba? Libya? North Korea? Paraguay? Tibet? Syria? Saudi Arabia? Almost ANY African nation? When do we go in and get rid of these "bad guys" because of the way they treat THEIR people? If we do stop at Iraq, then there is no justification for what W. did. At least he knows that if he doesn't get re-elected, he'll make a hell of an Amway salesman. If he can sell Americans on the need to go to war with Iraq, he can sell ANYTHING!!
The only effective foreign policy is a CONSISTENT foreign policy. If it's now our job to get rid of the bad guys, how do we justify stopping with Iraq? What about Cuba? Libya? North Korea? Paraguay? Tibet? Syria? Saudi Arabia? Almost ANY African nation? When do we go in and get rid of these "bad guys" because of the way they treat THEIR people? If we do stop at Iraq, then there is no justification for what W. did. At least he knows that if he doesn't get re-elected, he'll make a hell of an Amway salesman. If he can sell Americans on the need to go to war with Iraq, he can sell ANYTHING!!
Before you start lambasting me, I am perfectly content to have our government kick some Middle Eastern butt. Wars are always about controlling resources. Always. There have never been exceptions, every war you could think of--resources are the key to understanding the causes of the war.
Oil is like our lifeblood. Without a massive, yet steady, supply of oil we would be up the proverbial crick without our proverbial paddle. Don't kid yourself this war was about anything else, dress it up all you want, resources are still the key.
Was it a good trade? Several hundred American dead (so far) for a potentially more stable Middle East which should, theoretically, continue to sell us oil relatively cheaply?
I don't know. Neither do you. Only time will tell. Ask me again in 20 years if this war was a good idea and I might have a better answer.
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American interests
whistler hit the nail on the head, as far as I'm concerned. I've been doing "this" a long time and at least on my end of the stick it boils down to "protecting American interests". 
The rest, I feel, is posturing, smoke and mirrors. Somewhere behind everything we've done is a "cover our own butts" theme. As for Iraq I was always under the impression it was to dry up some of Osam's money and take away one of his home away from home's. As for Bush, I'm glad he's our president, I support him 110%. Clinton was and IS an embarassment. Bush not only had to deal with 9-11 he had to deal with the farce Clinton had made of the presidential office. 
I personally think Bush has done an outstanding job. That's my penny and a half's worth.
The rest, I feel, is posturing, smoke and mirrors. Somewhere behind everything we've done is a "cover our own butts" theme. As for Iraq I was always under the impression it was to dry up some of Osam's money and take away one of his home away from home's. As for Bush, I'm glad he's our president, I support him 110%. Clinton was and IS an embarassment. Bush not only had to deal with 9-11 he had to deal with the farce Clinton had made of the presidential office. I personally think Bush has done an outstanding job. That's my penny and a half's worth.
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Don't you think that if Bush knew that lying about WMD's would get us into the war, they would also be smart enough to plant some over there so we could "find" them?
Our presence there is long overdue.
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Our presence there is long overdue.
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In an election year, it is difficult to ignore the obvious and the Prez is being forced to fess up - a little. Back on page 16 of my paper today was an article WHITE HOUSE SHOWS DOUBTS ON IRAQI ARMS which states the White House is no longer saying that stockpiles of banned weapons will be found. My paper, hardly one of the "liberal media" ran an op-ed piece today entitled OOPS which read, in part, "We supported war against Iraq because we believed President's claim that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction. Eleven months after it was invaded, The United States has found no such weapons. We feel deceived - by the CIA, which overestimated the threat, and by the White House, which probably stretched the bad estimates to build a case for war................... Mr. Bush and the CIA should admit they were mistaken and take urgent steps to avoid repeating their mistakes. U.S. security and credibility depend on spy agencies and political leaders who know when dictators have mass destruction weapons - and when they don't". It will be interesting in the next few months to witness what unfolds in the campaigns.
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Originally posted by 1956MarkII
What about Cuba? Libya? North Korea? Paraguay? Tibet? Syria? Saudi Arabia? Almost ANY African nation? When do we go in and get rid of these "bad guys" because of the way they treat THEIR people?
What about Cuba? Libya? North Korea? Paraguay? Tibet? Syria? Saudi Arabia? Almost ANY African nation? When do we go in and get rid of these "bad guys" because of the way they treat THEIR people?
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According to the Kay report, Saddam himself *thought* he had wmd. Kay reports that Saddam had in fact ordered and funded the continuance of Iraqs wmd programs, and ordered their use during both desert storm and the current war but it turns out his own scientists and military were stealing the money for themselves. So it seems to me that if Saddam believed he had the weapons, it was reasonable that everyone else including W thought he had them. I think if W outright lied about it, we would have planted some stuff over there by now.
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Originally posted by cartwright
According to the Kay report, Saddam himself *thought* he had wmd. Kay reports that Saddam had in fact ordered and funded the continuance of Iraqs wmd programs, and ordered their use during both desert storm and the current war but it turns out his own scientists and military were stealing the money for themselves. So it seems to me that if Saddam believed he had the weapons, it was reasonable that everyone else including W thought he had them. I think if W outright lied about it, we would have planted some stuff over there by now.
According to the Kay report, Saddam himself *thought* he had wmd. Kay reports that Saddam had in fact ordered and funded the continuance of Iraqs wmd programs, and ordered their use during both desert storm and the current war but it turns out his own scientists and military were stealing the money for themselves. So it seems to me that if Saddam believed he had the weapons, it was reasonable that everyone else including W thought he had them. I think if W outright lied about it, we would have planted some stuff over there by now.
If GWB thought that the Moon was made of cheese and wanted to build a base there so he could bring it back to Earth, does that trump the fact that when we inspected it we found that it was actually made of rock?
Even more disturbing to me is the fact that you seem to outright condone the actions of planting WMD's in Iraq in order to avoid embarassment.
I hope you never become a law enforcement officer.
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