Brian- Thanks. I am trying to GET what is going on here - and I only want to make ONE more "air intake" adjustment to the 96'er.

AM I UNDERSTANDING correctly - that BOTh AFE and Tymar are "open" systems?

IF that is the case, then I cannot see why one would spend the extra $$ on the AFE (when it is acting like a K&N with "oiling" etc), when it appears the Tymar is more readily usable etc.

So, what am I missing? DOES the Tymar always have the additional whine, more whine, etc., than the others?

 

no...that's not me. I looked at about every picture you could imagine of the tymar. (and most of them were found on forums like this or on webshots). I used a 4"OD exhaust pipe. got if from the local shop. Had them cut me a piece about 6" long at first and I think my final setup ended up being about 3-3.5". I used the straight pipe with the factory turbo boot. I imagine having the 45 degree bend with pipe all the way to the turbo would make the turbo MUCH louder as it bounced off it all.

my whole reason for switching over wasn't for performance or anything...it was to get away from the stock junk that was there. the extra performance has been a welcomed suprise. I almost bought the extra battery tray, but decided I wanted it as close to stock (because I was still hesitant at that point) as possible in case I needed to change it back. I also liked the idea of having the stock plastic tubing from the grill that hooks to the battery tray blowing fresh air back to the filter. So I kept it with the original (but somewhat modified battery tray). you'll love it and you can't beat the price anywhere!

 

yes...they are both open....although some AFE users I have seen have installed some kind of insulated shield to keep the heat (who knows if it works or not) away from the filter. I wouldn't waste the time or the money....because I think its a mute point.

I can't see it either. Some even argue Tymar filters better than the afe...I don't know...I think they are both much better than stock. I can't make myself clean stuff when it needs to be....I sure don't want to have to worry about doing that with my filter. As far as the whine and all goes, you will get that with any open element air filter setup (so I hear )....the reason = because you are getting a lot more air, and you don't have the stock air box to muffle the sound.

 

hey fisher of a man-
I have been searching posts on this Tymar set-up, and you quoted a Webshot URL which came back to a gent named Polaris Puller. He has the homemade Tymar with the stock intake box still attached to the tray. Is this you? I just need to know what size pipe to get. I have an 02 and see some use a 45 degree pipe, while others use a straight pipe. I would like to avoid the $33 for a new tray, but still want to be able to switch back for warranty work.
Any helo is appreaciated and it seems you did alot of homework!


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Yep they are both open systems. My neighbor has the AFE and you can hear the turbo spool on both rigs no real difference. I was considering adding the heat shield set up that comes with the AFE to my Tymar set up but after talking with some pretty knowledgable people, decided against it. Its adding restriction and the difference its going to make in intake air temp (if any) is nill.

Some people like reusable filters.... I think the heat shield may sell some people, on the surface it sounds goods, but in reality it may actually add a little restriction and unless you do some additional modifications, I don't think it will make any nominal difference in intake air temp. AFE is a good setup and will make a noticeably improvement over stock.

Like Fisher_of_man said I don't like cleaning stuff, for me the quick replacement of the filter was a hands down selling point.

 

hey co2315....I don't know if you missed it, but I answered you above...check it out!

 

Got it fisher, accidental double post. Did your truck have the all in one battery box/air filter box? I am curious how to modify this so I don't have to buy a new tray. That picture you had showed a nice jkob.

 

Brian: (You da' man!! )

Thanks. You have more than answered my questions. Appreciate it immensely!!

I, personally, cannot see where the "heat shield" would perform THAT much of an asset in the Tymar-type set-up. (or AFE, for that matter.) The heat INSIDE the engine compartment, haulin' down the road in 100 degree temp - nada, me would thunk!

The only thing that would help would be a complete shroud on the intake (which is how it comes from the factory) - and this would countermind the "open" filter purpose (more air, less restriction.)

How am I doin"?

Last question - IS there any way to have the best of both worlds - the "performance" of the Tymar, withOUT the turbo whine?

I will NOT bug you again!!

 

That's what I am after!!!

 

Your right on with what I have heard.

The turbo whine isn't loud, its there but if you had the radio on or a window down you wouldn't hear it. That's a good question, haven't heard of anyone figuring that out. Like fisher_o_man said, in part the reason it is more pronounced is probably because its not muffled inside the stock airbox anymore, so I'm not sure how you would do that without adding restriction back into the system...

 

OKAY!! SEE, I'm not the ONLY one here!!

IF you figure out how to DO this, will you PLEASE let me know. My email is in my profile!

TO THE AWESOME GUYS OF THIS FORUM -- thanks!!!!

 

yes...kinda. The setup ( and I think yours is probably the same) is that the battery tray extends under the air box. If you open your air box up, you will see (or at least on the '00 model) 4 screws holding the air box to the battery tray. two are in the bottom of the box (actually attaching it to the tray, and two are in between the battery and the air box on top. there is one on each side, with just enough room to get in there to get them out. once you do this, you should be able to lift the air box off the tray. you will then see that the bottom of the battery tray extends out from under the battery to underneath where the airbox once was. this is one solid piece. I went ahead and took the battery out and the top of the battery tray and all. I then took my rotozip (but a grinder, hacksaw, anything that cuts heavy gauge plastic will work)and cut off the engine side mount to the air box. cutting along the place where the bottom of the tray, meets the battery surround. I also ended up cutting by the screw holes on top of the battery surround (that held the air box on) to give more room between it and the break resevoir (its a big filter!).

If I need to, I can put the air box back on, but I think the only place I could screw it down is on the fender side of the battery tray. (sorry its been a while since I looked at it.)

I will try to check it out at lunch.

hope this helps and doesn't confuse you !

 

Since I bought my truck, I've done my best to research the various items that are available. When it came to intakes, I decided on the TYMAR for all the reasons listed above. There have been studies trying to determine which intake flows the most air, and frankly, whether it's K&N, AFE, or TYMAR doesn't really matter. Even the worst of the three will flow more air than you can possibly use, so it's a moot point. What it comes down to, at least for me, is the ability to filter the intake air. Nothing filters better than a TYMAR. Others might do as well, but nothing is better. OK, now what's left to sway the vote? Ease of use and price. The TYMAR is less than 1/3 the price of the AFE and K&N. Add to that the need to mess around with cleaning/reoiling the filter, and the decision becomes quite easy. Some argue that since the K&N and AFE filters are reusable, you save money on replacement filters. Let's do the math: A replacement filter for a TYMAR costs $20, and needs to be changed every 15K miles. With the money you saved on the intake system itself, $280, you could buy 14 replacement filters, and drive 210000 miles.
To me the decision becomes so obvious, it's no contest.
If you read through the myriad threads about TYMAR intakes, you'll find two schools of thought. One group, (and I'm driving the bus), absolutely swears by them. The other has found problems with fit, dust leakage, etc. The vast majority of those folks are the ones that saved a few bucks and made their own open air intake. In their quest to save a buck, they left out one of the components that make it a TYMAR, such as the silicont hose that connects the pipe to the turbo. It costs a few bucks, but reduces the turbo whine compared to the hard plastic piece some are using instead.
Do yourself a favor. Spend $120 bucks and get the real thing. You'll never look back, except to see all the other trucks you've passed.

 

Quadzilla:

THANK YOU!

 

No problem. You've got my email address, if something else comes up, don't hesitate to ask.
Scott.