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Old Dec 30, 2003 | 10:28 AM
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I agree if there was knowledge the plane had become a guided missile, it had to be shot down.It just seems funny to me that the passengers resisted on that flight and not the other 3, when they wouldn't have known about the other 3. it seems more likely that by that time, the Air Force knew the situation, and had fighters scrambled to intercept.
as far as the people who recieved cell phone calls, who knows?
 
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Old Dec 30, 2003 | 05:41 PM
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Re: Re: Re: hmmmmm

Originally posted by AlexDeLarge
Then, what's with the fighters that were dispatched over the airliner?

I don't believe they were sent there just to escort the plane but to take it down before it reached its target and cause a bigger mess... then again, that's MHO

Yes, they were dispatched, that alone does not lend credence to a shot down
The plane was driven into the ground. Not shot out of the sky.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2003 | 08:26 PM
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Re: hmmmmm

Originally posted by Tim Lamkin
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The plane was driven into the ground. Not shot out of the sky.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/images...ight93001.html

Based on the photos of the crater in the slide show there, and based on this:

" By the time United Flight 93 was in smoldering pieces in a field outside the Somerset County village of Shanksville, the F-16 was 14 minutes from the range at which it could have brought down the 757 with heat-seeking missiles."

available here:

http://www.post-gazette.com/headline...ainstoryp7.asp

The timing was way too far off to have been by shot down by the jets in question and the angle of impact was VERY steep.

Tim, is awared the point.

FWIW. IMHO, and all that stuff.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2003 | 09:59 PM
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hang 10,for one, the doctors that first treated jfk testified that the throat shot was an entry wound from front to rear. have you ever fired a high power rifle into a watermellon, it makes a small entry hole in front and explodes the rear, not a small hole. Drs. testified small wound in front and large gaping hole in rear, unlike "official" autopsy results and photos which say opposite. funny how jfk showed up for autopsy in different casket than he was placed into in dallas!!!!!!!!
 
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Old Dec 30, 2003 | 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by cid473
hang 10,for one, the doctors that first treated jfk testified that the throat shot was an entry wound from front to rear. have you ever fired a high power rifle into a watermellon, it makes a small entry hole in front and explodes the rear, not a small hole. Drs. testified small wound in front and large gaping hole in rear, unlike "official" autopsy results and photos which say opposite. funny how jfk showed up for autopsy in different casket than he was placed into in dallas!!!!!!!!
Are you saying the airplane crashed OUT of the ground?

'just kidding. HOLY SMOKES never take any one orf two or even three or four sources as establishing ANYTHING to do with Uncle Sam as factual beyond doubt.

. . but in this particular case, the circumstantial evidence (big hole in the ground and not a single report of anyone on the ground receiving ground fire from an aircraft of any kind anywhere) the theory is immanently plausible that these reports are factual at least in an overall sense.

In closing, LHO whacked JFK all by himself with nothing going on behind the scenes, just like I have walked on Mars. Some form of governmental entity has to be in on that situation biiigggg time. From the beginning, to this very day. Common sense mandates it in my opinion

IMHO - all - of course.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2003 | 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by cid473
hang 10,for one, the doctors that first treated jfk testified that the throat shot was an entry wound from front to rear. have you ever fired a high power rifle into a watermellon, it makes a small entry hole in front and explodes the rear, not a small hole. Drs. testified small wound in front and large gaping hole in rear, unlike "official" autopsy results and photos which say opposite. funny how jfk showed up for autopsy in different casket than he was placed into in dallas!!!!!!!!
I haven't shot many watermellons. I do own and shoot many high powered rifles. I know that an entry wound is smaller than an exit wound in most every type of round. I have seen the autopsy photos, I see no entry wound in the front of the head. I did see the top of his head open with his brains hanging down. It is pretty graphic but I do have a link if you would like it, email me off my profile. That is another thing I am basing my opinion besides the Zapruder film.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2003 | 10:46 PM
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fuzzy, ive got it now, it was a UFO, and they all went mad
 
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Old Dec 30, 2003 | 10:52 PM
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Anybody else here keep in touch with buddies in Iraq or Afghanistan on email? Throughout the entire war I only lost email for about 2 days in Kuwait. I don't think there is any way with acess to email and satelite phones that you could keep a story like the military actually having Saddam or OBL a secret.

As for the 9/11 shootdown, how about digging up info on how many USAF jets, in the continental US, were actually loaded with live air to air missiles before Sept 11th. If they were, were they on alert? How fast of an alert? 5 minute?, 30 minutes? If they weren't already loaded, how long does it take to get live missiles from the ammo dump to the jet and then load and test them? After the jets do get airborne, how long does it take to find the commercial airplane at 28,000 feet that looks just like every other plane at that altitude. After the fighters find it on radar, how long until they are within maximum range to shoot, or do they have to get close enough to get a visual ID first and then get permission to fire? What exactly does a visual ID mean; how do they know for sure that the plane is being hijacked? How long again was it from the first hit until the 4th plane crashed?
 
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Old Dec 30, 2003 | 10:53 PM
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fuzzy, ive got it now, it was a UFO, and they all went mad
Now that's something I can believe in !!
 
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Old Dec 30, 2003 | 11:24 PM
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This film yall are talkin about, anyone have a copy or know of a copy online? email me a link thanks, if you email me the video it cannot be a zip file thanks.
 
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Old Dec 31, 2003 | 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by Jimmy Dean
This film yall are talkin about, anyone have a copy or know of a copy online? email me a link thanks, if you email me the video it cannot be a zip file thanks.
“The Zapruder film”, it is everywhere, you can rent tapes on the entire conspiracy theory and it does have it.
Discovery channel has done an in-depth show on it.

Howdy fuzzy……………..
 
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Old Dec 31, 2003 | 07:54 AM
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Anybody else here keep in touch with buddies in Iraq or Afghanistan on email? Throughout the entire war I only lost email for about 2 days in Kuwait. I don't think there is any way with acess to email and satelite phones that you could keep a story like the military actually having Saddam or OBL a secret.
It was supposed to have been the CIA that had actually snagged Saddam. The military was called in to make the "find" some time later. He was supposed to have been placed in that hole, in that town, by the CIA.
 
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Old Dec 31, 2003 | 07:56 AM
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Oh, well in that case, those CIA guys can keep a secret forever.
 
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Old Dec 31, 2003 | 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by hang10
It was supposed to have been the CIA that had actually snagged Saddam. The military was called in to make the "find" some time later. He was supposed to have been placed in that hole, in that town, by the CIA.
Where do you come up with this stuff, site a source
 
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Old Dec 31, 2003 | 08:04 AM
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'mornin Tim.

I just looked at the topic again to make sure this isn't hijacking the thread, and I'm still not sure ~but~ with the Zapruder film being mentioned and there being a couple of at least "recreational ballisticians" here, I would like to post an observation:

If you will notice in that film, Ms. K hops up out of the seat and tries to "catch" something that is "flying" from the front toward the rear of the car. If you have followed this film and it's investigations you may recall Ms. K was specifically asked what she was doing.

Her answer was "I was trying to catch his brain".

Again, look at the film. It travels from front to rear.

Being a farm boy and an avid eater of animals I have had occasion to notice that *large chunks* of brain matter are seldom ejected back out through - or in the same directions as - the entry wound. Especially if the entry wound is caused by a high velocity rifle bullet.

I have no actual answers to this. But I can not help but think that even JFK was still governed by the laws of nature. ~Something~ was not and is not as it was/is being represented in that situation.

FWIW/ IMHO.
 
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