>I was not whinning.


I appologize for the whinning statement. Nor was I singling anybody out. This went from kidding to..well I don't know where.

For the record, IMO...ESOF is a convienence, more prone to failure than the "old fashioned" manual hubs and manual lever Tcase,
Due to the fact, there are more parts that can go bad and more things to chase if you will.

It really doesn't matter what I think, for me the maunal hubs suit me fine, for others, their needs are different.

I do find it ammusing, to look back and see all the post regarding ESOF failure and not to many on the manual hubs/Tcase.

I'm just happy I had the option of getting my trucks equiped the "old fashioned way". I love technology, beleive me, but sometimes, for me, it isn't worth the hassle.

Peace out, Love, can't we all just get along

 

Old farts don't whine they ! well you know !
I know one thing we all love FORD TRUCKS!


Rich

 

>I noticed that the "soccer bus" have not been in on this thread. He is probably outside your house yeti, looking to turn your hubs back.

Actually it is a mute point for me. I cannot get an Excursion with manual stuff (kinda providing ammo for YETI's "convenience arguement", these busses were kinda designed with girls in mind. Certainly not me.)

If I were custom building one you can be sure that I'd have manual everything (if I could); hubs, T-case, tranny but not windows and locks. I'm not that old fashioned!

 

Thanks for the tip Monsta. I'm gonna go turn one of Yetti's hubs the opposite way when he's not looking

By & By I have had two manual hubs fail. Both on new trucks with less than 12K miles. One was a Ford and the other a Toy*ta. We'll see how long these "semi-auto's" last.

 

For the record, I wouldn't have gotten ESOF if I had ordered the
truck. Instead I found it on a dealer lot.

I think it comes down to a few things:

1) If you have ESOF, use it a lot - that little motor on the transfer
case looks like a prime candidate to lockup after not using it for
2 years - this means, even if you have to pull over on the
dirt shoulder, at least put it in 4x4 (and LOW too!) and make sure
it works - do this every month. Put tranny in neutral, foot on brake
to get to 4x4LOW. Too bad that servo doesn't have a hand crank.

2) If you don't have ESOF, thank your lucky stars! If you are too
lazy to look ahead down the road/trail and realize that you are
heading into something that will require 4x4, well, get ESOF and
keep buying FORD anyway!

3) If you have ESOF and see something coming up that will require
a heck of a lot of torque, GET OUT AND LOCK THE HUBS just for the
hell of it. And, make sure the little "4x4" light goes on before
getting into it. Also learn to recognize the sound of the transfer
case fully enaging in 4x4 and 4x4LOW

4) ESOF helped when my SD got caught in a hole that swallowed
up the entire left front tire up to the axle. I couldn't reach
the hub to lock it. However, I wouldn't cry over the fact that
I had to get my hands dirty to be able to back out (this hole
was really a buried garbage pit and it gave way with the SD on
top of it)

NOTE: I have a '74 F250 with remote NP205 transfer case and I can
switch into 4x4 at 70MPH as long as I have the hubs locked, which
is always.

art k.
--
'01 F250 V10 4x4 auto SB SC
'74 F250HD 4x4 LB FE390

 

To Yeti (who flamed my prior post) and all those who oppose ESOF, I just want to let you know that I have come to my senses and am joining your ranks. Next weekend, I'm going to start removing all the extra "convenience" items in my truck that are just begging to die on me anyway. Who needs these complicated gizmos getting in the way of pure unadulterated truck driving?

Anyway, I'll start by knocking those auto hubs out... then maybe take my automatic tranny out. It's going to be a bear replacing it with a manual, but I think some of my friends can give me a hand. After those 2 major hurdles, I think I'll get rid of my leather seat warmers (what was I thinking?!?!), remove my automatic door lock motors, followed by removing the gears that drive my electric windows and replace them with a hand crank. Wouldn't want them going bad on me and being stuck without working windows! Oh, and that keyfob that locks and unlocks my doors? Just another piece of junk looking to fail on me anyway; into the garbage it goes! A/C??? What was I thinking getting A/C -- what if my compressor dies on me; out it goes, too! While I'm at it, why don't I throw out the power seats and replace them with some milk crates! Power steering? Only wimps need power steering -- I've got good upper body strength; I'll just take that power steering pump out now; never know when it might just die on me anyway. Next, I'll gut the radio -- maybe I'll just replace it with a simple boombox or something. I hate to think of the $$$ I wasted in replacing my stock headlight bulbs with PIAA HID's since I'm just going to replace them with candles, anyway! Good thing I've got those front tow hooks on my F-250 -- I'll need someplace to hook the horses onto, since I'm going to pull that 5.4 V-8 out before it manages to die on me! Come to think of it, I'd try selling these parts to pay for the horses, but no-one would want them; you're just looking for trouble by buying into that type of scrap!

Too bad those old Ford model T's are so expensive since they became "antiques". Now that's what a real truck is supposed to be; plain simple, no frills. Better yet, maybe I'll just make my life a whole lot easier by getting rid of the F-250 and buying a horse! :+ Now that's what 4x4 is really all about! Just feed it, give it some water, and you've always got 4 hooves delivering all the power & torque you need to the ground! But where do I mount the turn signals? I don't even want to ask where I plug them in...

On second thought, I think I'll just keep my truck the way it is. ESOF and all. To heck with what anyone else has to say, I like convenience! If ESOF fails, I still have the option of locking them manually from the outside. And if I do have any problems with the truck, that's why I paid a little extra for the 100,000 mile warrantee! Let the dealer worry about it. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go outside and drive my truck up & down my driveway switching my ESOF from 2x4 to 4x4 and back, while sitting comfortably on my heated leather seats -- just because I CAN!

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Thanks for hearing me out.

Pray for peace; prepare for war. Attack Iraq .

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 12-Nov-02 AT 06:32 AM (EST)]Flamed you?? If I remeber right, you jumped on me, but thats ok, your not the first new member to do it and you won't be that last.
I just listed my answers to your questions on your previous post, trust me, that was not a flaming.

I will help you out here, cause I guess you still don't get the point.

My point is,that ESOF is a convienence, all that means is it's a little extra trinket that is truly not needed, that the manufacturer can charge you for and it makes a "4x4" more appealing to the masses.
It also is more prone to malfunction ,due to the electronics and vacuum lines and shift motors, than a manual system is.
Oh ya, just so you know, there are a few more things that can fail, besides the auto hubs. Even if your hubs are working correctly, doesn't mean the rest of the system will.

Thats it, no more, no less.


I really couldn't get through the rest of your post, because you rambled a bit...sorry.


Glad to hear about the heated seats, you can stay warm waiting for the hook to come get you when your ESOF fails and your burried.


Just so you know, I could of too!!

 

>Too bad those old Ford model T's are so expensive since they
>became "antiques". Now that's what a real truck is supposed
>to be; plain simple, no frills.


If you get one before 1918, you won't have to worry about the starter quiting on you... unless you break an arm.

Matt

2002, F250 SD, SC, 8' Bed, V10, 3.73 LS, Arizona Beige, ICI Stainless Step Bars, Truxedo Tonneau, Prodigy Brake Control, Flowmaster 40

 

>Flamed you?? If I remeber right, you jumped on me, but thats
>ok, your not the first new member to do it and you won't be
>that last.
Who was it that said, "If you want convienence you should of bought something other than a TRUCK!!!!!" ???? If I recall correctly, that's the line that started the animosity.

>I will help you out here, cause I guess you still don't get
>the point.
I get the point; I guess I just don't care. Yes it is a convenience, yes it is more prone to failure than a simpler system, but so are power windows, electric door locks, automatic transmissions, Air Conditioning, etc. I'd hate to see what people said about power steering when it was relatively new.

>I really couldn't get through the rest of your post, because
>you rambled a bit...sorry.
Isn't it a shame when the brain starts going at such an early age? Drop me a line; I'll try to explain it. I'll talk... very.... slowly... just.... for... you. (don't start now... I'm just joking around on this one).

>Glad to hear about the heated seats, you can stay warm
>waiting for the hook to come get you when your ESOF fails
>and your burried.
Arghh!! Now I'm getting frustrated. If ESOF fails, I can easily just step outside the cab (my butt may be cold leaving the heated seats, but I'll deal) and lock the hubs manually. Doesn't sound like my chances of getting buried are any worse that non-ESOF trucks. I said it before, I'll say it again -- I still have the manual locking hubs, should I need them, as a faisafe.

>Just so you know, I could of too!!
Never doubted you could have; anyone with a ride as sweet as yours could have done lots of things.

Maybe I shouldn't go on by posting more... but I just can't drop things. Don't look forwad to a though. Tell ya' what -- let's see if I can diffuse this situation with a good joke (and in lack of a good joke, I hope this one will do):

A young boy approaches a farm house where he finds an old farmer on the porch smoking a pipe. The boy says to the man "Excuse me farmer, I was wondering if you could allow me to fish in the small pond out by your barn?". The farmer replies chuckling "I'm sorry son, that's a horse trough, we dug it out to feed the horses, you're not going to catch any fish out there!". "Well, may I try?" replies the boy. "Do what you like, (laughing) good luck!!!". About an hour later, the farmer sees the boy approaching the porch with two stringers of catfish. He hands one to the farmer, and thanks him. "Thank you!" says the farmer, stunned. The next day the boy comes back to find the farmer on the porch again. The farmer says "What can I do for ya'?" "Well, while I was fishing out by the barn yesterday, I noticed some honeysuckle." replied the boy. "And.......?" says the farmer inquisitively. "Well, would you mind if I got some honey?" asks the boy. The farmer laughs hysterically and says "You can't get honey from honeysuckle!!" "Can I try?" asks the boy. "Sure, bring me some too!" says the farmer sarcastically. About an hour later, the boy comes back with two buckets of honey, hands one to the farmer, and leaves. The farmer is absolutely shocked. The next day, the boy returns, and once again the farmer asks "What can I do for you young man?" "Well" says the boy "While I was out getting honeysuckle yesterday, I noticed some pu*sywillow out ba-" the farmer cuts him off "Hold it right there boy, let me get my hat."

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Thanks for hearing me out.

Pray for peace; prepare for war. Attack Iraq .

 

Haroutd,

Forget the Model "T" and the horse. They might break too. I'm just gonna walk. That way the only thing that can break is me

 

>Haroutd,
>
>Forget the Model "T" and the horse. They might break too.
>I'm just gonna walk. That way the only thing that can break
>is me

Yeah, but be careful with that comment; Yeti might start commenting about the failure rate of the air chamber in "Nike Airs" -- then you'd have to start walking barefoot!

 

Hey walking is good for ya ! thats why I orignally said get out and lock
your Hubs wimps!!!!!!!!He he he he
Boy Am I gonna get in trouble for this comment!

Yeti! I gotcha covered,circle the wagons! will fight till the end!
dang it the 8 track broke!Dagum! the wagon lost a wheel!But I won't surrender! They'll have to break my legs before I'll push that button or turn that **** for esof!




Rich
I'm losing it!

 

It's unfortunate that this post turned into a flame war. I think it could have had some value for people deciding on a purchase or operating their 4wd systems.

My point would be this. I don't understand all the cursing of the auto hubs. They are the same hub as the manual hubs, but with an auto OPTION. They function the same way. The auto hub is every bit as capable as being operated in the same manner as the manual hub. Just get out of your truck and lock/unlock it. Instead of looking at it as an auto hub with a manual override, look at them as manual hubs with an auto OPTION. I stated in a previous post, where I think Yeti got the term "convenience", (pardon me if I'm wrong Yeti), that you should view the auto feature as just that, BUT, the system still has all the functionality of a manual system, if you need it.

The only difference beyond the hubs is in the actuation of the transfer case. You pulling a lever vs. turning a switch and an electric motor pulling the lever. Is one more prone to failure than the other? Perhaps. I can't say as I've heard of any failures of the electric motor in the transfer case, but I haven't heard of anyone breaking their shift linkage either.

In my case, where I'm not a hardcore off road driver, which I'd guess applies to over 90% of the people here, the difference between the manual and ESOF systems is really kinda irrelevent. For me, the convenience of not having to manually lock the hubs, SHOULD I CHOOSE NOT TO, and not having the 4X4 shifter taking up valuable space on the floor was worth it.

Waxy

 

>>Flamed you?? If I remeber right, you jumped on me, but thats
>>ok, your not the first new member to do it and you won't be
>>that last.
>Who was it that said, "If you want convienence you should of
>bought something other than a TRUCK!!!!!" ???? If I recall
>correctly, that's the line that started the animosity.


Yes , I did say that, is that what flustered you? Doesn't take much , I'll try to remember that in the future, and try not to let it happen again.
In your opinion, do you think most people buy Super Duties for their convienences ? Im sure they lack a bunch that you had in the Benz, I figured most people bought them to work, pull trailers, snow plow, etc, but thats only my opinion.



>>I will help you out here, cause I guess you still don't get
>>the point.
>I get the point; I guess I just don't care. Yes it is a
>convenience, yes it is more prone to failure than a simpler
>system, but so are power windows, electric door locks,
>automatic transmissions, Air Conditioning, etc. I'd hate to
>see what people said about power steering when it was
>relatively new.

It's fine that you don't care, no where did I ever say that my opinions should matter to anybody. Yes , all of those items are convenience items. So is the toilet now that I think of it.


>
>>I really couldn't get through the rest of your post, because
>>you rambled a bit...sorry.
>Isn't it a shame when the brain starts going at such an
>early age? Drop me a line; I'll try to explain it. I'll
>talk... very.... slowly... just.... for... you.
>(don't start now... I'm just joking around on this one).
>


Yes it is, It's hard for me to keep up with such whitty people as yourself, (that was a joke too, your not that whitty).




>>Glad to hear about the heated seats, you can stay warm
>>waiting for the hook to come get you when your ESOF fails
>>and your burried.
>Arghh!! Now I'm getting frustrated. If ESOF fails, I can
>easily just step outside the cab (my butt may be cold
>leaving the heated seats, but I'll deal) and lock the hubs
>manually. Doesn't sound like my chances of getting buried
>are any worse that non-ESOF trucks. I said it before, I'll
>say it again -- I still have the manual locking hubs, should
>I need them, as a faisafe.
>

ESOF is more than just auto hubs, because as I stated before, the hubs are not the only problem. If your switch fails, your out of luck if the shift motor fails, same thing. But ,I guess you can always crawl under the truck and hit it with a big hammer!! So there is a possiblity, that you may be worse off than a non ESOF equipped truck.




>>Just so you know, I could of too!!
>Never doubted you could have; anyone with a ride as sweet as
>yours could have done lots of things.
>Maybe I shouldn't go on by posting more... but I just can't
>drop things. Don't look forwad to a though. Tell ya'
>what -- let's see if I can diffuse this situation with a
>good joke (and in lack of a good joke, I hope this one will
>do):




I'm not here to argue either.
Most regulars around here would probably tell you I am not really confrontational at all, and try to bring some humor to the boards.
Before, you go off on that one, remeber humor is different to each person.

I don't have a good joke , sorry.
But I will say, to each his own, you don't have to agree with anything I say, and thats fine, and like wise. What would the world be like if everyone agreed with everybody else? Pretty boring, and plus, these long post help me improve my typing skills, which, as you can see are lacking.
Hope you stick around here at FTE, it's always good to have opposite view points.

 

>ESOF is more than just auto hubs, because as I stated
>before, the hubs are not the only problem. If your switch
>fails, your out of luck if the shift motor fails, same
>thing. But ,I guess you can always crawl under the truck and
>hit it with a big hammer!! So there is a possiblity,
>that you may be worse off than a non ESOF equipped truck.

OK, I'm going to drop the rest of the BS and come back to this one. I thought that manually engaging the hubs from the outside would "override" any other auto features, including the switch? If ESOF fails, you can't just "force" it by locking? Hmmmm.... I think I'm going to go out on the driveway, leave the switch in 2WD mode and engage the manuals. I'll let you know.